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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Is anyone aware of a "free energy device" ever having being created? I've read over the years about like hydrogen fuel cells and perpetual motion devices, things working on magnets, Tesla technology etc and people claiming they would release this and that but it never see's the light of day. So I always take these stories to be bull to be honest. To be fair I can't imagine why you would say you would release something instead of just releasing something in the first place? Seems pointless, risky and plain stupid.

So should I "believe" my friends when they tell me "TPTB" stop it ever being released, by whatever means they can?

I'm well aware of Military technology being years ahead of civilian. Well aware "they" took Tesla's research. Well aware of how information can be controlled by nations though say something like the "great firewall of China". Well aware of the Echelon spy network and how that could control the flow of information. Well aware that no one leaked the atom bomb when it was being developed. Etc, etc.

I just think that if a free energy device existed then why has no one ever released the blueprints? Surely TPTB can't stop me (or anyone else) sending the blueprints to every news organisation, uni's, MP, celebrity, charity, etc, etc though the post (snail mail)?

Surely with all the file sharing networks, things like news groups etc, things like TOR, VPN's, anon proxies, web cafes, libraries, etc... it would be quite easy to send out say physical copies to as many people as you know and then at the same time get them all to release it on all of these networks all at one time, all with slightly different file names and file sizes, it would be almost impossible to stop.

There's 7 billion people on the planet, surely all the governments or "authorities" of the world don't want to not see free energy, surely the one's "at the bottom" would love to see it released? Surely most people would love to see it released?

Sure, a lot of greedy people want to make money out of it so they might try and register it with a patent office and that office has "agents" in place to put a stop to it. Surely thought most people would be more than happy to release this technology to the world for free and even without wanting any kind of recognition?

Surely it just paranoia to think if I invent something I can't just release it to the public with relative ease?

P.S. has anyone ever downloaded something "special" and it disappeared from there hard drive?
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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You pose an excellent (and timely) question.
I spent a few hours investigating exactly your question, based on exactly that logic.

I'm certain that what I found is incomplete, but it is a start.
You can find extremely crude descriptions of a device that theoretically works.

William Lyne wrote a book, 'Occult Ether Physics'. It shows a crude schematic (go to page 101/2):
www.scribd.com...

Trying to follow this, I found no posted replicators - someone that has successfully replicated the plans.
The book offers to send you plans for $10 or $12. I have not done that.

One possible modern continuation of the work is the e-Cat.
I got very excited when i found that they had gotten a public safety certification for their device. This is a major hurdle...but not enough.
pesn.com...

For a few days, it looked like things were on the cusp of a big announcement. But - you know how that always ends. This road is looking more dead-end-ish by the day.

Getting mainstream acceptance of such a technology is a massive hurdle, for the reasons you cited. The burden of proof is placed on the patent submitter, if their patent breaks pre-established rules. We all know the ridicule that anyone proposing cold fusion, in any form, meets from the scientific community.

This has all led me to believe that the only way this information will ever be discovered and shared is through exactly the means you describe. A process that takes place outside the traditional channels, and is then distributed before the project mysteriously stops as it is bought up by the military.

So - my journey ended in two dead-ends. Has anyone else had more luck?
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Greetings,
Free energy is not a good description of what is happening.
Experimenters are finding new ways to convert and extract energy from different sources.

If you want to know what's really going on in this field check PESwiki.com

On this site they will also connect you to site(s) that have recorded the hi jacking of patents regarding this types of devices. Basically the government steals the technology and sends you to jail ( it has happened) if you talk about it again. I have two people not to far from me who where subject to threats of death if they continued their work.
People have been murdered because they tried to promote or were involved in the development of the "free energy devices".

We have been denied a fundamental right in the name of money and they, the government or oil industry will kill you to protect their income FROM YOU, US.
It's real and there is going to be a big fight, literally, over this.
Working devices do exist and have existed for over 50 years.
Various plans are available for low output devices.
This subject is far more serious than you might imagine. Stay tuned.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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To be specific, there really is no free energy device, or should I say, a device that will give out free energy. That is because of the universal law of balance. Sometimes known as the law that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. For instance, while I can generate electricity by passing a magnet over a copper wire coil, the induction of electricity will then create a force that will resist that from happening, which is why generator plants have to have more power applied to the coils than the force that resists the magnets.

Many ideas have come along claiming free energy, and some have even impressed me as to their rather close ability to reach close to the balance law. But none have done it so far. But who knows, maybe the law can be tweaked. I'm thinking of dark energy. What the electron is to a copper wire that can be manipulated by magnetic force, I am wondering it there is a metal not yet discovered that will be a conductor of dark energy that can be manipulated by something like a magnetic force for which I am thinking "dark matter." Such a device would revolutionize everything because there is so much more dark matter and dark energy than normal matter and normal energy.

And lastly, I believe that tweaking the balance law to perpetuate a near continuous motion machine can be found in the study of the earth -moon system, Sun planetary system, etc. All of which have continuous motion and balance thus obeying the universal law of balance.

And having said all that, we should all still seek for that perfect energy producing device, whatever that may turn out to be.
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
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To be specific, there really is no free energy device, or should I say, a device that will give out free energy. That is because of the universal law of balance. Sometimes known as the law that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. For instance, while I can generate electricity by passing a magnet over a copper wire coil, the induction of electricity will then create a force that will resist that from happening, which is why generator plants have to have more power applied to the coils than the force that resists the magnets.

Many ideas have come along claiming free energy, and some have even impressed me as to their rather close ability to reach close to the balance law. But none have done it so far. But who knows, maybe the law can be tweaked. I'm thinking of dark energy. What the electron is to a copper wire that can be manipulated by magnetic force, I am wondering it there is a metal not yet discovered that will be a conductor of dark energy that can be manipulated by something like a magnetic force for which I am thinking "dark matter." Such a device would revolutionize everything because there is so much more dark matter and dark energy than normal matter and normal energy.

And lastly, I believe that tweaking the balance law to perpetuate a near continuous motion machine can be found in the study of the earth -moon system, Sun planetary system, etc. All of which have continuous motion and balance thus obeying the universal law of balance.

And having said all that, we should all still seek for that perfect energy producing device, whatever that may turn out to be.
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Anyone understanding magnetic zero point energy would have to have the brains of an Einstein, the body of Apollo, and the charm of Fred Astaire.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Yes.

I link this article, by one of Russia's physicist and a psy op from what I can gather. And the entire thing is an excellent read for it names names, studies that have already proven the postulates that Relativity and others represent, are false altars and that Science is a farce. Do we value "theories" and refuse to alter them when experiments and studies disprove them?

Why are they not retired, then? As old dinosaurs of science?

Who's interest do these falsehoods serve?

Follow the trail of money and you have a clue!

www.levashov.info...


Almost everyone knows about the supposed confirmation of Einstein’s theory by the Michelson-Morley experiments, which is taken for granted in scientific texts. However, almost nobody knows that the total distance through which light passed in the Michelson-Morley interferometer was 22 meters.

Moreover, these experiments were conducted in the basement of a stone building that was practically at sea level. Further, they were performed during a period of four days (July, 8, 9, 11, 12) in 1887, when the data of the interferometer were recorded over a period of 6 hours with 36 turns of the device. This experimental base supposedly confirms the non-existence of the ether drift and, hence, the "correctness" of Einstein’s Special and General Relativity Theories.

Since the facts are very crucial here, let us appeal to them. In 1933 the American physicist Dayton C. Miller (1866-1941) published the results of his experiments on the so-called ether drift, carried out during a period of over twenty years. His research was published in the journal "Reviews of Modern Physics". All these experiments confirmed the existence of an ether drift.

He began his experiments in 1902 and finished them in 1926. For these experiments he created an interferometer with a general trajectory for the beam of light of 64 meters. This was the most accurate interferometer in the world at that time and at least three times more sensitive than the interferometer used in the Michelson-Morley’s experiments.

Interferometer data were taken at different times of the day and at different times of the year. Miller performed more than 200,000 observations and made more than 12,000 turns of the interferometer. He periodically brought the interferometer to the top of Wilson’s mountain (6,000 feet above sea level), where, as he had supposed, the speed of ether wind was greater.

And now let us look at what the facts tell us.

On the one hand, we have the Michelson-Morley’s experiments, which altogether were performed for 6 hours, during 4 days, with 36 turns of the interferometer.

And on the other hand, we have experimental data recorded by the interferometer over a period of 24 years, with the device being turned 12,000 times! At the same time, Miller’s interferometer was 3 times more sensitive! These are the facts.

But perhaps Einstein and Co. were unaware of these results, or they didn’t read scientific journals and remained deluded? They perfectly well knew everything. Dayton Miller wrote letters to Einstein. In one of them he reported on his work of 22 years that confirmed the presence of an ether drift. Einstein replied very skeptically and demanded proofs, which were given to him, whereupon there was no answer forthcoming.


This is quite an article.

It delves into Einstein working in a patent's office, and who really came up with the theory of relativity.

It also shows that one of the great unsung hero's of US physics was Dayton C Miller, who proved in the most long term, detailed and extensive study that the Ether existed.

Free Energy exists.



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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Now concerning Dayton C Miller, let's look at this, and what Einstein had to say about this:

www.orgonelab.org...


"The effect [of ether-drift] has persisted throughout. After considering all the possible sources of error, there always remained a positive effect." — Dayton Miller (1928, p.399)
"My opinion about Miller's experiments is the following. ... Should the positive result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity, in its current form, would be invalid. Experimentum summus judex. Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain, however, they would have to lead to a significantly different theory."
— Albert Einstein, in a letter to Edwin E. Slosson, 8 July 1925 (from copy in Hebrew University Archive, Jerusalem.) See citations below for Silberstein 1925 and Einstein 1926.
"I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards."
— Albert Einstein, in a letter to Robert Millikan, June 1921 (in Clark 1971, p.328)
"You imagine that I look back on my life's work with calm satisfaction. But from nearby it looks quite different. There is not a single concept of which I am convinced that it will stand firm, and I feel uncertain whether I am in general on the right track."
— Albert Einstein, on his 70th birthday, in a letter to Maurice Solovine, 28 March 1949 (in B. Hoffman Albert Einstein: Creator and Rebel 1972, p.328)


We have been sold the dirty, fossil fuel industry, destroyed nature, and harmed billions, starved the world, all for this enforced slavery and the wealth and priviledge of the greedy few.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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We have been sold the dirty, fossil fuel industry, destroyed nature, and harmed billions, starved the world, all for this enforced slavery and the wealth and privilege of the greedy few.


That may be true, BUT, are you better off than you were 4 years ago?



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Wind....sun....tides...geothermal energy....

They're all free.

If even a tenth of the money which is being pumped into useless wars in the Middle East over oil was diverted into proper research and development they could easily take care of all our energy needs and more.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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The government couln't stop pre announced Wiki Leaks.
But BP discovers and buries water powered car modifications?

Even the royal family couln't keep Kate boobies under wraps.

You people are believing in fairy tales.

The OP is right, there are just too many ways to get the plans out before...



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Anyone have any firsthand experience with this one?

www.free-energy-info.co.uk...

A cursory search claims that Bob Boyce has always made these plans open source (since 2006), and that he is currently being slandered and threatened.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by Skarr
William Lyne wrote a book, 'Occult Ether Physics'. It shows a crude schematic (go to page 101/2):
www.scribd.com...

Trying to follow this, I found no posted replicators - someone that has successfully replicated the plans.
The book offers to send you plans for $10 or $12. I have not done that.
I wouldn't bother, Lyne has been exposed as a liar:
Debunking William Lyne's "Occult Aether Physics"...


One possible modern continuation of the work is the e-Cat.
I got very excited when i found that they had gotten a public safety certification for their device. This is a major hurdle...but not enough.
pesn.com...

For a few days, it looked like things were on the cusp of a big announcement. But - you know how that always ends. This road is looking more dead-end-ish by the day.
That's true. I don't see anyone stopping Rossi but himself.


This has all led me to believe that the only way this information will ever be discovered and shared is through exactly the means you describe. A process that takes place outside the traditional channels, and is then distributed before the project mysteriously stops as it is bought up by the military.
Military didn't stop cold fusion/LENR, they were behind a lot of the published research!

The best article I've seen is about two NASA scientists who will verify any over unity/free energy device if the creator follows their guidelines. They aren't doing this for NASA, it's a hobby in their spare time. But to my knowledge, nobody has taken them up on their offer. Some, like Bedini, probably won't ask them to verify his device, because he knows his plan isn't over-unity, but that doesn't stop him from profiting from it.

The future probably holds advances in the efficiency of solar cells, which is probably the closest thing to free energy we will see.
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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There is no such thing as free energy, all energy sources requires economic investment and maintenance, they could be cheap in comparison with other but there is no such thing as free energy even you have to pay for the food that keeps you going...

Even if we envisioned a different economic system there would always be a burden to get the energy not even speaking in moving it around to where it is required.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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The sun my friend, the water, the wind. All free energy, all we have to do is convert it



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Skarr
You can find extremely crude descriptions of a device that theoretically works.

I've found a few of these that sound like they'll work in theory but then no one ever replicates the device, with the literally 100,000's of engineers, scientists, inventors etc in the world surely if someone was shown the basis of the invention they could go at recreating it.

Thanks for the links mate, I'll check them out when I get home from work. Cheers for taking the time to reply my friend.


Getting mainstream acceptance of such a technology is a massive hurdle, for the reasons you cited. The burden of proof is placed on the patent submitter, if their patent breaks pre-established rules. We all know the ridicule that anyone proposing cold fusion, in any form, meets from the scientific community.


Surely thought if you sent out the blue prints on how to do it there would be 1000's who would say "that doesn't work in theory" but also 100's who would at least try to build it and then they would say "well it might not fit your theory but it works so go figure"... I guess what I'm saying is you can't deny the truth, like the truth will prevail.
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Nathan Stubblefield built a simple battery that you bury and you get free energy from it. It's called the Earth Battery.

His devices were buried all over America and are what powered the early Telegraph system.

You can build those simple devices for next to nothing. Build a "Joule Thief" circuit to take the low current to power LED's to light up your backyard. Or you can use the Joule Thief circuit to recharge batteries, your Ipod...whatever.

www.google.com...

YES, there ARE Free Energy devices. Nathan Stubblefield was a genius of his day and died pennyless....starved to death.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by GeorgeH
I have two people not to far from me who where subject to threats of death if they continued their work.

Who threatened them?

If they were aware there research threatened the status quo why did they tell people they were woriking on it?

I'm aware that energy companies wouldn't exactly put them selves out of business by developing these techologies but how do they find out about every invention? Surely it makes sense to keep it quiet untill it's working and then release it "in full" to the world.

Is it purely due to the greed of the people creating the techology that they want to patent it and have ownership of it or want some recognition from it? No one's doing a selfless act for the greater good of man kind?

Me personally, I'd release it Anon on the internet as a gift to the world. Most my problems are associated with the need to pay for energy so as long as I can benifit from my device I'll be happy.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
Sometimes known as the law that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.

I completely see where you coming from in that "perpetual motion devices are impossible" but I guess these "laws" as we see them are often still just our current understanding of things so all that's really being said is "that's not possible under our current understanding of things".

You clearly clued up on these things but say for instance something like magnets, they produce and effect which we could basically say it repels something. So if we set up a wheel with the right angles then we could use a small amount of energy to get it going and then use that magnetic force to keep it going. Then turn that kenetic energy into something more useful? Obviously theres a lot more to it that but it's just a silly example. Obviously I've seen many of these devices not working but you see what I'm saying right?

What about plants like say something like the skunk cabbage which produces heat. Like that's a living entity that produces energy, obviously all that it needs to keep alive really is the soil, water and sun so if we could somehow harness that energy, convert the heat it produces. I guess what I'm saying is what if we can produce something living that can produce some kind of charge. It's not "free" but it's like an alternitive souce of energy that doesn't reply on like fossil fuels. I'm struggling to explain this but hopefully you see where I'm coming from.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
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To be specific, there really is no free energy device, or should I say, a device that will give out free energy. That is because of the universal law of balance.


As someone already mentioned, the term "free energy" is a little unlucky since it's all about converting energy in one form or the other.

Don't forget we are literally surrounded by energy, one simple example the energy of the sun.
For me it is always mind-boggling what an immense amount of free energy is actually available (I live in Spain where it's brutal hot basically from May to September, almost every day). How much of this literally "free" energy of the Sun is really used?

( Obviously...not very much since my utility bill this month alone again is €219 - while there is crazy amounts of Sun energy available on a daily basis which literally goes to waste, unused. )

I just wish that alternative energy research would be more advanced and more effective, i simply don't understand why we let all this available energy go to waste.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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It certainly does exist, there are three components........
Sun
Wind
Water





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