Leaked Obama Audiotape Shows Socialist Ideology

It seems Mr. Romney isn't the only one having his speeches leaked.
This one just came out today showing Obama from 1998, speaking about how he believes in the concept of redistribution of wealth.

"Referring to efforts to restore the efficacy of government, then-Illinois state Sen. Obama said:

“The trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some [wealth] redistribution -- because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

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Just like Romney s recordings could be construe in many ways so can this, frankly they are both idiots and I wont be voting for either.

The US has socialist policies in place and have for a long time.

Roads, School, Medicare, etc...

Taxes are taken from us all and redistributed to better all our lives.

The problem becomes when you have people not paying taxes (top US companies have even paid negative taxes when taking into account government subsidies) , and than your throw on top of that gross government overspending.

There is a war going on against the middle class.

Personally Im for a flat sales tax across the board, you buy goods, you get taxed, from the illegals all the way to big corporations.

But tax reforms in no ones in powers interest so it will never happen.

Romney talks about Obama's supporters wanting freebies, Obama talks about redistribution of someone else's wealth.
These two are the same thing, yet Romney gets slammed.

Don't forget Obama's open mic trying to make a secret deal with Putin.

Also trouble in the Middle East, trouble in Asia, Obama disarms our military, ignores warning signs at the Embassy, Solyndra has been swept under the rug, and so has Fast and Furious and all the media want to talk about is what Romney said a few months back.

Both parties believe in redistribution of the wealth.

What seperates the two is which direction it should go and how much.

If society has no redistribution of wealth from the top to bottom (omg, trickle down economics), then you have a monarchy where there was only royals and peasants.

Not following what the argument is about. If you don't redistribute some wealth, Long term consequences lead to beheadings. Let them eat cake

The progressive tax rate has created an economic powerhouse in any country it is established in

The earliest known application of progressive taxation took place in Great Britain in the 14th century.[12] In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862, which was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln and repealed the short-lived flat tax contained in the Revenue Act of 1861.

Incidently, Abe was a republican..its fiscally sound and conservative.
Abe, as far as I am aware, is not considered some crazy socialist..however, if you consider him in todays standards, he is so far to the left he would be calling Nancy Pelosi a neocon.


But I will play devil advocate for a moment.
If Obama believes redistribution of some wealth is good, then does that mean Romney believe no redistribution should happen?
Gonna cut off all social services? put a flat tax that barely funds the military and thats it?

What a lovely place that would be.

well at least Obama wants everyone to have a shot, instead of just millionaires

Socialism is a great thing, If only people could get informed and not mix socialism with communism, national socialism and satan worship. Read some Engel, Marx , Blanqui etc. Get educated.

Socialism is what America needs.

And if it was not for Socialism, the economy would have been totally destroyed by now. Yes the bail out is the most expensive socialist action ever taken.

Everybody cries about the globalists and America being broke.
It is time to end the free market, regulate and distribute.



Now go ahead and call me a commie...

Originally posted by alphaskunk
Socialism is a great thing, If only people could get informed and not mix socialism with communism, national socialism and satan worship. Read some Engel, Marx , Blanqui etc. Get educated.

Socialism is what America needs.

And if it was not for Socialism, the economy would have been totally destroyed by now. Yes the bail out is the most expensive socialist action ever taken.

Everybody cries about the globalists and America being broke.
It is time to end the free market, regulate and distribute.



Now go ahead and call me a commie...

You are completely nuts...

On "ATS" no less.

Why would I call you a "Commie"?

You are a Socialist....That is far worse.

My God this election has become a petty pissing match.

Obama said all of that 14 years ago. I'm sure, as with virtually every member of this board, his ideas and opinions have changed, morphed, been re-shaped, coalesced, whatever you want to call it, during that time period.

God knows mine have, I voted for Bush twice then Obama LoL! I know, right!?

Have Romney's changed since this election began, since that speech? No.

He is still an out-of-touch elitist who views 47 percent of the country as parasites.

There is nothing wrong with redistribution of wealth. Not all the citizens have the ability to earn high wages, yet they are just as vital in their roles as Americans. Remember, the penthouse apartment cannot exist without the basement floor of structural beams.

And redistribution of wealth is not so polarizing. Alaska gives 1000 dollars a year to its citizens for the oil revenues. I don't see anti-socialist protesters picketing the Alaskan government. They just shut up and cash their checks.

AAC

Originally posted by whyamIhere
You are completely nuts...

On "ATS" no less.

Why would I call you a "Commie"?

You are a Socialist....That is far worse.

reply to post by whyamIhere


These type of hollow rebuttals on ATS are such an issue. You shouldn't be able to reply if your reply has nothing to add to the discussion. You are probably just an old stubborn man who wakes up every morning and looks in the mirror and says, "Who the hell screwed up my country."

Well, # happens, sir. This is the world we live in. Evolve with it the best way you can, or stick to your old memories and remain bitter.

AAC

Originally posted by whyamIhere

Originally posted by alphaskunk
Socialism is a great thing, If only people could get informed and not mix socialism with communism, national socialism and satan worship. Read some Engel, Marx , Blanqui etc. Get educated.

Socialism is what America needs.

And if it was not for Socialism, the economy would have been totally destroyed by now. Yes the bail out is the most expensive socialist action ever taken.

Everybody cries about the globalists and America being broke.
It is time to end the free market, regulate and distribute.



Now go ahead and call me a commie...

You are completely nuts...

On "ATS" no less.

Why would I call you a "Commie"?

You are a Socialist....That is far worse.

That is my point exactly. How can a socialist be far worse than a commie if you are against socialism? Communism is the extreme branch of socialism, you know, the faaaaaaar left. But as i said, pick up a book, get informed.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

These type of hollow rebuttals on ATS are such an issue. You shouldn't be able to reply if your reply has nothing to add to the discussion. You are probably just an old stubborn man who wakes up every morning and looks in the mirror and says, "Who the hell screwed up my country."

Well, # happens, sir. This is the world we live in. Evolve with it the best way you can, or stick to your old memories and remain bitter.

AAC

You don't know a solitary thing about me.

You really added to the discussion as well.

Wrong on all accounts...The guy doesn't know the difference between a Socialist or Communist.

Sounds like you do not know either.

reply to post by whyamIhere


Once again, you said NOTHING. Just conjecture and point of view.

Now I know something about you... you do not know how to defend a point.

AAC

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For #s and giggles:

Communism is a form of socialism, in the same way that Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

However, communism is an all-encompassing political system. There are different schools of communist thought, of course (i.e. Marxist-Leninism, Maoism, etc) but all are political systems that dictate how a nation will function. Socialism is merely an economic facet of a political system, such that there is democratic socialism (France), libertarian socialism (anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism), authoritarian socialism (the Soviet Union) and even hybrid socialism that incorporates free market principles (China). In a socialist countries, wealth and property are communally owned and distributed by the state. The political level of democratic input can vary based on the adjoining political ideology.

Like the other guy said, pick up a Book

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

For #s and giggles:

Communism is a form of socialism, in the same way that Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

However, communism is an all-encompassing political system. There are different schools of communist thought, of course (i.e. Marxist-Leninism, Maoism, etc) but all are political systems that dictate how a nation will function. Socialism is merely an economic facet of a political system, such that there is democratic socialism (France), libertarian socialism (anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism), authoritarian socialism (the Soviet Union) and even hybrid socialism that incorporates free market principles (China). In a socialist countries, wealth and property are communally owned and distributed by the state. The political level of democratic input can vary based on the adjoining political ideology.

Like the other guy said, pick up a Book

AAC

You are going to defend that statement.

How many brother's have you had die for your Country.

I know the answer to that....It's not in any book.

Originally posted by whyamIhere

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

For #s and giggles:

Communism is a form of socialism, in the same way that Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

However, communism is an all-encompassing political system. There are different schools of communist thought, of course (i.e. Marxist-Leninism, Maoism, etc) but all are political systems that dictate how a nation will function. Socialism is merely an economic facet of a political system, such that there is democratic socialism (France), libertarian socialism (anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism), authoritarian socialism (the Soviet Union) and even hybrid socialism that incorporates free market principles (China). In a socialist countries, wealth and property are communally owned and distributed by the state. The political level of democratic input can vary based on the adjoining political ideology.

Like the other guy said, pick up a Book

AAC

You are going to defend that statement.

How many brother's have you had die for your Country.

I know the answer to that....It's not in any book.

WTF does patriotism have to do with this?

Originally posted by alphaskunk

Originally posted by whyamIhere

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

For #s and giggles:

Communism is a form of socialism, in the same way that Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

However, communism is an all-encompassing political system. There are different schools of communist thought, of course (i.e. Marxist-Leninism, Maoism, etc) but all are political systems that dictate how a nation will function. Socialism is merely an economic facet of a political system, such that there is democratic socialism (France), libertarian socialism (anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism), authoritarian socialism (the Soviet Union) and even hybrid socialism that incorporates free market principles (China). In a socialist countries, wealth and property are communally owned and distributed by the state. The political level of democratic input can vary based on the adjoining political ideology.

Like the other guy said, pick up a Book

AAC

You are going to defend that statement.

How many brother's have you had die for your Country.

I know the answer to that....It's not in any book.

WTF does patriotism have to do with this?

The premise of the OP I find highly offensive.

Keep defending him....People have died giving you that right.

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I think we should just ignore him. He obviously has a tunnel view perception in life and sits and watches PLATOON over and over.

Ignorance truly is bliss (to him).

AAC

You are going to defend that statement.

Why do I have to defend truth? It's self-evident.

How many brother's have you had die for your Country.

My father died in Vietnam and I loved him to death. What does that have to do with anything on this thread? Waiting...

I know the answer to that....It's not in any book.

Actually, it is. I'm a publish novelist and I mentioned his death in one of my publications. so

AAC