posted on Sep, 21 2012 @ 06:53 AM
Originally posted by brettrix
Southern Guardian wrote that the police can go onto peoples property and demand papers in one of his posts and that is NOT TRUE
How's it not true? I see no source.
The law clearly states that police merely require "reasonable" suspicion when it was introduced, there are no limitations set for police as to where
they can apply their suspicions to require I.D. There's nothing stopping a police officer demanding you show I.D simply for walking down the street,
no limitations set on private property. The law is vague and it is so for a reason, to grant LEO's such powers, so they can start treating brown
American citizens like foreigners in this country.
It is true, and this is exactly what people like you intended the law to do. Here's what the part of the law concerned says:
"For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law
enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien
who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the
person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation."
Lawful contact is not defined for a reason, it's vague. This is the only limitation set by that part of the law:
A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider
race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements
Which to translate into much simpler terms, police officers can require you to present I.D on the basis that they suspect you're illegal in this
country, and there's no requirement for them to prove they didn't stop you because of your race, rather they can't report that they did so for that
reason, which makes that part of the law absolutely pointless. Private property is not a limitation, if you're in your backyard, there's nothing
stopping a police office from lawfully approaching you and requiring you to answer to them at the fence. There's nothing stopping them from doing so
in this law. "Reasonable suspicion" and "lawful contact" are key here, and these terms are not defined.
What you fail to realize is that the majority of police officers in Phoenix/Arizona are hispanic or indigenous/native.
That doesn't mean there won't be police officers out there to abuse this law, there will be. I read the bill on multiple occasions, maybe you should
take the time to read it yourself and actually pull out the parts where limitations have been set as to where police officers can ask you for your
papers. The law is vague, it's core purpose is to be a papers please law. This is what people like you want so spare me the BS.