reply to post by JamesGC
Why does China and Jpan so desperatly want this part of the world so much. i understand Japan is a very proud nation that would rather take
roisk over, give away, but i just don't get it.
Because if any country has the rights to those islands, their territorial waters will increase in size and influence.
This could be a very important forward point for both Chinese economy and military strategy. Those islands would become - literally - their advanced
backyard. They will have the right to put there any military equipment they want, and nobody can say a thing about it. They could also station there
whole fleets, and nobody could accuse them of putting military pressure. That sea area would become their own waters, which also includes control.
Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters
extending at most 12 nautical miles from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state. The territorial sea is regarded as the
sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it; this sovereignty also
extends to the airspace over and seabed below.
It also works for Japan's interests. The advantages that China would take from it are the same as Japan's, both in strategic importance and economical
gains. I should mention that Japan isn't allowed (still) to have an offensive military force, which means that these islands are the perfect pretext
to have a more advanced defensive position, without disrespecting the limitations to which they still have to obey.
This gets even more complex when you start looking at past announcements and you read stuff like this:
NYTimes - Japan announces Defense Policy to counter China
December 16, 2010
TOKYO — Japan announced a new defense policy on Friday that will respond to China’s rising military might by building more submarines and other
mobile forces capable of defending Japan’s southernmost islands.
The new National Defense Program Guidelines are the biggest step yet in a decade-long shift away from cold war-era deployments of heavy tank and
artillery units on the northern island of Hokkaido — to counter a now-vanished Soviet threat — and toward bolstering Japanese forces in the
southern islands around Okinawa, where China’s navy has become a growing presence.
The new guidelines also used uncharacteristically strong language to warn of China’s rapidly modernizing military, calling it “a matter of concern
for the region and the international community.”
In my opinion, things are heating very fast, and although a lot of people are armchair strategists and think they know a lot about History and World
War, this thing that is going on with China and Japan is far more important than anything else in the World. Even more important than Iran.
Both World Wars used excuses as a pretext to attack.
However, if you take away those excuses, you are left - just prior to the conflict - with territorial disputes.
Prior to World War I you could see a lot of conflicts inside Europe. Most of them were around territory and economical/military influence areas.
And prior to World War II, you had the Germans saying that Poland should give Danzig back.
The Free City included the city of Danzig and over two hundred nearby towns, villages, and settlements. As the League of Nations decreed, the
region was to remain separated from the nation of Germany and from the newly resurrected nation of Poland, but it was not an independent state; the
Free City was under League of Nations protection and put into a binding customs union with Poland. Poland also had special utilization rights towards
the city. The Free City was created in order to give Poland access to a well-sized seaport while respecting the fact that the city's population was
roughly ninety-five percent German.
Danzig was very small, but the only connection Poland had with the ocean. Poland interests collided with German interests, and this is provably the
main reason why Poland was invaded in the first place, kicking off WW2.
As you can see, even the smallest city and the smallest port could start the worst of wars.
Caution, is what I advise.
edit on 18-9-2012 by GarrusVasNormandy because: (no reason given)