The Nightmare Power

There are terrorists. That is a fact. They are most usually ethnic minorities who have been abused by the states in which they reside. A few good examples are the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the Palestinians, the IRA (Irish Republican Army), Basque militants and certain Islamic-Indo militant groups.

These non-state groups use acts of terror (percieved or real) to get the attention of their much more powerful statist oppressors. It is the option of desperation. The reasons for their desperation varies and they use these methods to force solutions where otherwise they would be completely ignored.

With the end of the cold war, the USA is roundly described as the world's sole remaining superpower and found itself to be lacking an external enemy. That is an anathema to the military industrial complex and to machiavellian politicians who feed off of the industry of war. Without a legitimate external enemy, there is no justification for the existence of such mammoth budgets.

Enter "al Qaeda."

Trace its rise. Al Qaeda took center stage as the Soviet threat receded. Coincidence? Absolutely not. It's far too obvious for anyone paying attention. Al Qaeda was created/funded by elements in the US CIA and its Pakistani ISI counterparts. Osama was none other than our agent in Afghanistan; our proxy warrior against the Soviets.

The USA and by extension, the western world, now has its new, entrenched boogyman. OPERATION NORTHWOODS 9-11 seared into the minds of Americans the most deep-seated fears imaginable. The Straussian NeoCon devils who are behind that heinous act of high treason are using the fear and percieved need for vengeance that attack engendered to lead us into accepting a never-ending war. In their view: war is peace.

It doesn't get more twisted than that.

The article I source is British. It is about a documentary TV series on this very subject. I encourage everyone to check it out. It's past time for us to realize a nightmare has been passed onto us and its time to wake up from it before the coup is complete.
www.guardian.co.uk...

You'll hardly get a whisper regarding your topic, but i'm hearing ya

I've come to realize that people on ATS don't deny ignorance, they're just selective about it.

I hearya. I've noticed a lot of folks don't go near an actual essay written, or extended points. It's sad. This is their life!

Good Post, and yes it's amazing how few replies you get from the neo's on topics that actually dwell in reality. Most GOP supporters suffer from what i call selective comprehension. Anything that goes against the foundations of nationalism and the official story lines fed to them is just beyond their grasp. They will argue all day about jane fonda, but they won't even post a reply to a depleted uranium thread or our president's shady connections. Most neocons don't remember the eighties, which is too bad really because apparently the rest of the world does. We created, or funded, or armed and supplied or simply manipulated every single threat we now face from the islamic world. Selective comprehension and repressed memory make for a bad politcal platform IMO.

heheh....

Ah, yes. Operation Northwoods. One of my favorite declassified documents. It saddens me to know that the American people don't read declassified documents. If they did, they'd probably start to wake up to the fact that the government is corrupt and doesn't care about the American people anymore.

BTW, did you know Bin Ladens own several stocks here in the U.S. including Nortel and Coca Cola?

they are in denial, their brains are so overly saturated with propaganda laced media these ideas seem extra terrestrial. the amount of compeling evidence supporting your claims ECK is imposible to ignore and difficult to refute. a little research goes a long way

Very true. You read is everyday in ATS posts. These guys choose what they'll keep an open mind about and what they won't.

Usually a shady connection stays in the dark,

I posted a topic in the Politics & Scandals section regarding a huge huge developing story involving the Carlyle group and the Saudi Royal family.

Probably the world's greatest scam/con taking place right now! A bunch of views and only 1 reply.

ATS new slogan should say, "ATS - Select Your Ignorance"

Excellent points, one and all.

For anyone who has not seen OPERATION NORTHWOODS, I highly recommend it. You cannot read the document and see 9-11 in the same way ever again.



I guess the reason the Neo Conned stay away from these meaty issues/debates is because they know there is no defending thier positions.

Of course! Operation Northwoods is a perfect "factual" example of how the U.S. government is perfectly capable of pulling off a 9-11.

There has never been a more powerful example.

Can you believe one of our neo-conned ATS members actually tried to claim that it was from an unreliable source? That was the most lame & laughable assertion I've ever seen here.

HOW DARE the people here make up their own mind

Thank god we have people like yall to tell us what to believe

Isnt that the point of this entire place?

A place for people to make up their OWN mind about what they believe and what they dont?

[edit on 15-10-2004 by Amuk]

Amuk, you sound a bit scorned.

What is your opinion regarding the subject of this thread?

No one here is against folks making up their own minds. They only commented that so many have their minds shut as tight as a clam. It's true. Neo Cons, especially, will not bend no matter how much proof is offered them. It's Bushian to the nth degree. Pure monkey see monkey do.

They would be a lot betetr off making up their minds here than sitting in fornt of their televsion sets thinking coporate sponsored media is giving them all the pertinent information they need to make informed decisions.

Yep. I remember back when I heard that most young people now get their news from John Stewart's the Daily Show. I thought, "Great. This is what it's coming to now." But ya know what? I'm watchin' it now myself, b/c network news and cable news is a f***ing joke. Pure propaganda Bu#. Stewart's show is the truth, albeit shrouded in twisted humour. It's Bushian in that it is truth in the reverse.

BOYCOTT TV NEWS! WATCH JOHN STEWART!

And pay close attention to the MESS-O-POTAMIA segments. They're a hoot.

I loved that clip from the Daily Show "George W. Bush: Because he says so."

There should be one that says "The Neo-Cons: Because they say so."

[edit on 15-10-2004 by mrmulder]

That should definitely be their mantra.

No not scorned it just sounded like to me that yall were saying if we didnt believe it we were all a bunch of idiots or something along them lines.

As far as the subject of this thread.....do I believe it? dont know

Do I doubt the US government is willing to do terrable things to get what it wants? Not a bit.

I dont really see a big conspericy here though, I think Osama, like Sadam is a tool that has outlived its usefullness. Its not nothing that our government AND EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT ON EARTH hasnt done a thousand times.

Just like 911. Do I think WE did it? No I dont

Do I think parts of the Government knew it was gonna happen and looked the other way? And then used it for grabing more power?Thats a little different I wouldnt doubt that.

I just dont buy into the world-wide conspericy thing I think our Government is too inept to pull it off.

On top of that you have to admit our polices in the mid-east has caused us to make a lot of enmies there and to say ALL of them are CIA agents is IMO rather foolish

[edit on 15-10-2004 by Amuk]

Well, I think Operation Northwoods is a perfect example that they can pull it off. Of course, that's my opinion.