Kinda wish I could have been here sooner. Hope there is more discussion on this subject. It's a good one and it should be an ongoing conversation in my opinion. I would like to say first, stand tall brother when sh/t like this falls away the truth is exposed and the answers become simple. Over and over in people's lives they find that when things get harder they usually turn for the better, at least for those that rise to the challenge. It's natures way of making us stronger and more capable. I have always had a drastically different view of things than most people I meet. It's not very often I meet others that see things the same way. For this reason my approach to life is also quite different. I read the whole thread and it's a good one thanks.

Here's my two cents.
It's human nature to try and build a safer more comfortable community for our children. It's what most of us spend our lives trying to do, but it's not always the best approach. We as a species are paying the consequences for this way of thinking. It could be the underlying reason why civilizations always collapse. It's only human nature, but If we don't outgrow it, the resulting pollution from all of our creature comforts may one day be too heavy of a burden for us to handle.

I have spent a good amount of time working in tourism. One of the funny things I noticed was that tourists can injure themselves on ANYTHING. Okay, some guy bled all over the deck, we should raise all of the plants too high for anyone to hit their head. This way of thing only eventually lead to excursions that were no fun for anyone. Let's make it a law that every kid on a bike has to wear a helmet. No wait, knee pads, shoulder pads... Anything else we can think of? In a few years nobody will be left that knows how to ride a bike without crashing. See my point? Our whole society has lost all of our ability. We have way too many decisions to make, most of us only know how to do one thing for work. We do not rely on common sense as a whole and we get weaker and less capable by the minute. All of this because we tried to make a better place for our children.

Ever seen an advertisement for something you need? Probably not, if you need it they don't need to advertise it. The worlds real problems have nothing to do with money. They are wrapped around pollution and things we don't need. I say outlaw advertising all together unless it's in a place we go to look for things, maybe the phone book or an online equivilant. If you follow that thought through to it's end the world becomes a better place almost instantly.

The human brain is not equipped to have so many choices. They are ruining our ability to find the good path, ruining good peoples chances, and confusing us all.

My advise.
Take this time to learn a new trade, become knowledgable in something new. Learn how to take care of yourself without using the system. Above all think very carefully abou where the closest oasis will be when the # hits the fan. Migration WILL be the saving grace for the future of your children. This is very important. Lastly I would say, try and learn some of the old practices of growing and storing food. These practices have been tried and tested for generations and have only recently been forgotten. It will be up to us, the ones who saw it coming to pass the old ways on down. Take some extra time to learn them, for our children will need to know these things. Above all raise your kids to be strong, and to be self sufficient. They are going to have to be able to think on their feet in order to survive.

Luck and love bro,

Ya know i clicked into the site this evening with out loging in and ready the Gents post only to scroll down and see and add for Oboma huging Clinton, Wow really.............. And im no romney fan either but this site has lost it's luster caving to adds for this guy. Sometimes it's better to say no thanks man you have spent enough REALLLLLY !!!!

God bless the OP here, I am holding on myself, Been laid off once this yr but manged to pull another fish out of the job tank. Wont last long tho. Keep on Keepin on.

I think the best things we can do as humanity globally, is for every last one of us to pull our money out of the banks.. Bankrupt the motherf@@kers.. Stop paying into a system that is DELIBERATLY trying to enslave us and our children... We outnumber these assholes 1million to one.. And that is just in the US!..

These bastards own every aspect of our lives.. Healthcare.. Banking.. Our fricken food and water supply.. Our governments.. Energy production.. Basically everything.. And they think they own you too.. In fact.. They want to go further... They think they have the divine right to wipe 6 billion of us out via wars, famines, disease, eugenics, they want to kill any future children you have by contaminating the air, water, food, meds making you infertile..

People need to wake up..

The enemy of us all who is making all this happen are sat in the Fed.. In their offices in wall street and london... And would take nothing to wipe them out... They are at OUR mercy not the other way around...

Let just look at the facts. We are a spineless species of people that do not know anything different than to work and be slaves to the eatablishment. There is no freedom only an illusion that you have it. Do you own your car or does the goverment just say you own it? If you own it and it's yours why do you give the goverment money to have it in your possession? Because the establishment scares you to think diffenent. If you don't give up your freedoms willingly they take them by forcing you in prison. Are you free because you were born free or are you free becuse you hold an ID or license saying you are free or a piece of paper. There isn't a single person that would stand up next to me at washington and help me defend our rights. I would walk to DC if just one person told me they would be in DC to protest the corruption but not a single one of you have the spine to do it because someone will say "you'll be silenced or end up in jail" I posted threads trying to rally support but no one cares. We only cry on each others shoulders and they strip away our food, water, clothes. If humans really cared about freedom or their lives the holocaust would have never happened how many Jews/pols/eastern Europeans took up arms against the nazis.... None! Don't kid your yourself none of us will do # to stop these people history has told us so. Only the founder fathers/soldiers are to be held to honor of protecting freedoms we are just scared spineless dogs. And think about at what cost to the native Americans did we get this country. We only steal and bast in the reward unroll we steal again and now you are mad because there is no one left to steal from than ourselves now. Welcome to the end game.