Romney in secretly taped video: Obama voters ‘dependent’ on government

reply to post by Xtrozero

Well that is not really true... 25% of republicans are poor. That just may suggest that there is a percentage of the poor population that do not want Government subsidies,

lol no, that just suggests there are voters voting against their own interests and are horribly confused. Like the guy in the video I posted...was republican but on foodstamps...yet claimed to hate big government but felt that foodstamps should exist. While republican politicians want to cut them.

Do you think that poor people who get on subsidies ever get off them,

The federal limit you can stay on welfare is 5 years in your LIFETIME. Most states have a limit of 2-3 years that override the federal rule. So they don't have a choice to stay on.

Nearly all assistance programs have time limits

Foodstamps is the only program that you can stay on for life. And the average amount people stay on them is 9 months.

feedingamerica.org... alities.aspx

AND do you think it doesn't create generation to generation mindset of how to get on Government subisities and not how to get off them?

No seeing as almost all assistance programs have time limits. And almost all poor people grow up wanting to be rich... Most people don't go "OH I want to be on foodstamps because my mom was on them". But sure it's possible.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by queenannie38

 

Because he is not just going to lower the tax rate, he is going to fight to get rid of all the loopholes....so in the end all corporations will actually pay more than they have been.

If his plan is allowed to work, regular citizens will get a tax reduction.

There aren't enough loopholes to close to make up the difference. Trickle down doesn't work it never has, it never will. There is simply not enough people in the luxury item market to fuel the rest of the economy. If his plan is allowed to work regular citizens will be paying more in taxes when he takes away the earned income tax credit, you know the Republican alternative to raising minimum wage back in the 90's. They will pay more when he scraps the child, education and home loan credits, because he thinks they are loopholes in his mind. They will pay more when he guts the endowment for the arts, a program that creates 7 dollars in taxable income for every dollar spent.

If Romney wins the election the people on the bottom two thirds of the ladder better have some umbrellas, because someone gave the top all you can eat Taco Bell.

Comments like this one and the 250,000K middle class will probably reinvigorate the Dem. base and increase the likelihood of approaching the turnout in '08, which was previously thought to be impossible.

I will start by stating that I'm voting for Romney because, I've have enough of the "Obama Experiment" by the Democrat Party. America was blinded by the thought of "Hope and Change" but I feel that "the thrill is gone"

The people on ATS generally are very intelligent and well informed. It doesn't take a PHD to figure that the United States is pretty well split down the middle, politically and I would consider Romney's statement correct.
there are those that will vote for a Democrat, simply because they have a (D) after their name. As for those who receive a monthly check from the government, every election the Democrat Party tells them the Republicans
WILL stop their payments and they will STARVE and DIE (sic). Uninformed people believe this because they have been told for generations that the Democrats are their LEADERS and they know what is the best for their people.....BULL! It's no different than the old days when a politician would buy everyone a couple of shots, at the bar, before you went to vote. Better yet go to the nursing home and pick up people to go vote and buy them breakfast. "Old Bob" doesn't even know what year it is but the Pole Judges will get someone to help "Old Bob"
vote a straight Democrat ticket.

So, Romney is 100% correct in what he said, in the video, and anyone that can be honest with themselves knows that it's the truth. If there is someone that can produce evidence to the contrary....SHOW US!

Spoke since you are all gaga over unions, I just thought I would inform you of the communist history of labor unions.

patriotsforamerica.ning.com...

Oh by he way, I just could have sworn all Republicans are evil wealthy people who hate poor people, now I find out they are all welfare brats....

Couldja make up your mind which it is already?

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Most people don't go "OH I want to be on foodstamps because my mom was on them". But sure it's possible.

Unfortunately, MILLIONS abuse the system. When people know they can willfully abuse it, and get away with it, they are more likely to do it.

Again, its easy to be dependent, on the Government, if the you can abuse the system. This might not be what Romney was saying, but it doesn't say that people will not take advantage.

With help from store employees, customers can easily game the system. A clerk would ring up a case of beer as a box of cereal or charge $50 on the card and give the customer $25 in return. The exchange rate favors the store and could bring in a whopping $50,000 extra per month, according to a 2009 federal indictment involving food stamp fraud. If caught, store owners are forever barred from participating in the program, but we cross-referenced public documents to find that merchants skirted the ban by using various aliases. Analysts say it can be easier for the government to let the scams continue. Tanner says that "In many cases it's more cost, effort, political pain and potential blow back in the community than it is worth to solve the problem."

Millions commit food stamp fraud every year

It goes hand in hand, with this.

The two were critical of the public welfare system, and their strategy called for overloading that system to force a different set of policies to address poverty. They stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party, thus forcing it to implement a national solution to poverty. Cloward and Piven wrote that “the ultimate objective of this strategy [would be] to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income...”[2] There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party then-splintered by pluralist interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national solution to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national solution to poverty).

Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would “deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas.

Cloward–Piven strategy

About taxes?

One final point. Now that you know that 47% of Americans pay no income taxes, poll results like this one from Gallup (taken last year at tax time) take on a little different meaning, don’t they?

Gallup Poll finds 48% of Americans saying the amount of federal income taxes they pay is “about right,” with 46% saying “too high” — one of the most positive assessments Gallup has measured since 1956…

Hmm. 47% pay no income taxes. Gallup says that 48% thought that what they paid is about right…You don’t think that’s pretty much the same group do you? Nah. Couldn’t be.

47% of Americans pay no income taxes

I sure as hell dont like Romney, but I would be a liar, and a idiot, to think Obama has done a good job, or has the underprivileged, best interests, at heart. He can care less about anyone, except getting reelected. If not, he can worry about retiring to Hawaii, in his 34 million dollar home. I call them ALL hypocrites. Its too bad some wont call them, for what they ALL are, and continue to play the game.

I agree with Romney to an extent, but to label 47% of Americans as dependent is crazy and probably just cost him the election. There are some people who abuse the system and there are some people who truly need help. And he talks about people not paying taxes but he still hasn't released more than 2 tax returns to prove that he does pay taxes, in fact he pays less taxes than most of us but wants to attack and disreguard half of America?! This dude is an elitist and out of touch. When you become President you are a President of ALL THE PEOPLE, not just 50 some odd percent. Romney just lost the election, IF ONLY HE WAS LATINO. haha.

Another point.

Just because a lot of people aren't paying income taxes doesn't mean they are getting a completely free ride. There are still sales and payroll taxes.

Payroll tax can in some cases approach 15%, even for the poor, which is about on par with most income tax payments.

And while Romney has a point, the sentiment expressed in the video is alarming to those included in that 47%. He had a tone of condemning them for taking benefits for free which carries the implication of a tax hike for the middle class.

More, a big chunk of that 47% are collecting untaxed social security. Most of them have payed into the system their whole life. No free ride there.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I would say that democrats pretty much prey on the poor. That is the area where they focus on, and personally I think it is all about the vote and nothing more.

So some person who does little with their life gets the message that if they vote for Obama he will redistribute wealth in their favor to get federal subsidies and all they need to do is breath. So ya the family that makes under 50k is exactly who Obama is talking to.

Hell I would vote for the guy too, but I'm a working man and so he has actually done nothing to benefit me in the least.

you would be wrong to say that...


I work too, Romney biasing the whole economy to benefit millionaires and billionaires
doesn't benefit me in the least.

YOU must be a bloody millionaire

reply to post by sonnny1


Instead of staying with a high paying law firm, Obama decided to become a community organizer.
If you think he does not care about the poor, the man ACTUALLY took his Harvard law degree to
do that job which pays squat.

Romney took his degree and used it to saddle companies with debt and extract the equity, but
you are attracted to the guy who does nothing for the world.

You are drunk with ignorance Sonny

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Spoke since you are all gaga over unions, I just thought I would inform you of the communist history of labor unions.

patriotsforamerica.ning.com...

Oh by he way, I just could have sworn all Republicans are evil wealthy people who hate poor people, now I find out they are all welfare brats....

Couldja make up your mind which it is already?

edit on 18-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

I think they are ignorant hypocrites, but that is my opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by queenannie38
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

Well, if he truly doesn't want his peers to pay any more taxes than they already pay...which is probably still more than he averaged before 2010 anyway, but if they don't mind...I don't mind...

...anyway, if he doesn't want that to increase...and still wants to decrease corporate tax rates from 35% to 25%...

(which in real numbers, after the loopholes, for way too many big corporations in the US, 35% comes out to somewhere between -3% to 3% actual tax paid...which means, YES...many multibillion businesses actually got a tax refund!)

AND also wants to live up to his impossible promise of lowering EVERYONE's tax rate by something like 15%...he's going to have to find a way to come up with the money.

Maybe he can just write a check.
Or rob a bank...I bet he knows someone on the inside.

Either he is the 'tax-man' or a 'magic-man.'
Because he is definitely not a 'math-man.'

My Magic Tax Plan Will Repeal Math

Paying more is relative.. if you mean gross amounts.. no duh ..

If you mean percentages.. and when you add that against cost of living.. NO WAY ... yes they pay a "fair percentage" of gross income.. and more in some instances.. but when you compare that against someone making practically nothing... the remainder could mean a yacht and three mansions for a rich person and paying bills and perhaps some food for a poor person..

That is the absolute IGNORANCE of that mentality ..

Your example of poor people....uhhhh they don't pay taxes. I think it's odd that people are hashing on the rich......who pay the majoritry of taxes. And Romney is correct. Way for the OP to call him on the truth.

Surely Romney should be trying to win some of that 47% around rather than writing them off. Nevertheless, his views do seem to match with those of about 53%of the ats membership, so hardly surprising he made them. Not like we don't see that same opinion posted here regularly.

GOP has earned this man



The epitome of an entitled rich elite.

A man who is programmed like a banks mission statement, rape America at all costs!

reply to post by thepresident


More class warfare bs.Blech! Obama isn't any more in touch with the common man than anyone else or he would never have taken an insider trading deal with BP Oil while letting the entire gulf of Mexico be poisoned by toxic corexit and methane.
Also Obama got $77,000 dollars in campaign contributions from the oil giant.
hotair.com...

Well isn’t this interesting? Check out what AdamDodson.org revealed. Obama will earn nearly $85 MILLION from this gulf oil disaster! No wonder he has all this time for golfing, parties, and never spoke to BP CEO Tony Hayward! It’s all becoming all too clear now:
“Goldman Sachs wasn’t alone either in its astute “foreknowledge” of the collapse of BP’s stock value due to the Gulf disaster as BP’s own chief executive, Tony Hayward, sold about one-third of his shares weeks before this catastrophe began unfolding too.

But according to this FSB report the largest seller of BP stock in the weeks before this disaster occurred was the American investment company known as Vanguard who through two of their financial arms (Vanguard Windsor II Investor and Vanguard Windsor Investor) unloaded over 1.5 million shares of BP stock saving their investors hundreds of millions of dollars, chief among them President Obama.

www.dailypaul.com...


Yah Barack makes all that money while the poor fishermen and shrimpers of the gulf lost their livelihoods and their health. Oh and DOLPHINS DIED too!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Yah Barack makes all that money while the poor fishermen and shrimpers of the gulf lost their livelihoods and their health. Oh and DOLPHINS DIED too!

And Conservatives want to eliminate ALL the environmental regulations for BP and the
entire industry.



Do you even know what your politicians want?

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Yah Barack makes all that money while the poor fishermen and shrimpers of the gulf lost their livelihoods and their health. Oh and DOLPHINS DIED too!

And Conservatives want to eliminate ALL the environmental regulations for BP and the
entire industry.

No conservatives wanted to save the industry from Obama's savaging it with his moratorium on deep sea drilling while he was giving Petrobas tax money to do the same thing. You are just parroting the same old Democrat/Progressive bs and all the same old envirowhacko bs.

Do you know what your politicians want? Progressives are ushering in a new era of nanny statism and socialism and dependency on government. Have you read George Orwell's book, "Nineteen Eighty Four"?

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Instead of staying with a high paying law firm, Obama decided to become a community organizer.
If you think he does not care about the poor, the man ACTUALLY took his Harvard law degree to
do that job which pays squat.

Romney took his degree and used it to saddle companies with debt and extract the equity, but
you are attracted to the guy who does nothing for the world.

You are drunk with ignorance Sonny

edit on 18-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)

I don't drink ignorance. I deny it.

So Obama has a Harvard degree, and became a community Organizer, WITH Political aspirations. Who would have thunk it?



Really, if you want to make a lot of money, become a Politician.

Hers some "drunk facts" for you.

It’s no secret that many members of the U.S. House and Senate are millionaires — 47 percent of them — their salaries paid in part by the American taxpayers.

47% of Congress Members Millionaires — a Status Shared by Only 1% of Americans

Oh the Irony.




And what you said?

"but you are attracted to the guy who does nothing for the world."

Oh my.

I would LOVE to see where I said I am attracted to him, in ANY way.

If you take the horse blinds off, and relieve a little pressure, from your frontal lobe, you would actually see that I said I cant stand Romney!



Not ONLY that, Im not drunk on Obama juice, to not see, these people don't care about you or me.

What are they putting in that liberal "Obama juice", nowadays?





Time to "dream", of a 34 million dollar home, in Hawaii. From community organizer, to millionaire. The American dream, is still alive!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Yah Barack makes all that money while the poor fishermen and shrimpers of the gulf lost their livelihoods and their health. Oh and DOLPHINS DIED too!

And Conservatives want to eliminate ALL the environmental regulations for BP and the
entire industry.

No conservatives wanted to save the industry from Obama's savaging it with his moratorium on deep sea drilling while he was giving Petrobas tax money to do the same thing. You are just parroting the same old Democrat/Progressive bs and all the same old envirowhacko bs.

No, conservatives want to eliminate all the barriers that make it more difficult to
do business, most of those are environmental regulations. Thats a fact, so stop
trying pretend you can't figure out what suffers in that equation.

Oil production is at an all time high, but you cannot help by spout your made up
crap, you just say the most fantastic thing you can imagine and go with it.
It is the conservative sociopathy here in the states, the Conservative Brits
don't do it.

Do you know what your politicians want? Progressives are ushering in a new era of nanny statism and socialism and dependency on government. Have you read George Orwell's book, "Nineteen Eighty Four"?

You guys have been saying that for 80 years

American conservatives have been pressing the same story since the end of WWI

FDR, JFK and Clinton all got the same treatment -

Progressives want exact what we say with our mouths OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

A stronger middle class and an economy that is not geared to make the rich richer.

What is ironic is you ignore what come out of your politicians mouths, they actual
tell us they are going to screw the environment and give power to the banks, but
people like you are are too brain washed by Savage and Beck.

You guys will be saying the same crap after you and I are dead

You guys are ruled by fear, hence the 24/7 Obama bash fest and the secret communist
plots that never seem to happen.

reply to post by sonnny1


Did you not read the OP?

Romney seems to be referring to the estimated 47 percent of Americans who did not owe federal income taxes in 2011 because their incomes were so low that they qualified for a tax credit, or because they didn't work at all. Last year, 22 percent of people who didn't owe income taxes were elderly people on Social Security, and an additional 17 percent were students, disabled people or the unemployed. More than 60 percent of the group were low-income workers, many of whom qualified for the child tax credit or the earned income tax credit. (These workers did pay payroll taxes for Social Security and other programs.)