Hezbollah warns US over film as death toll rises to 19

reply to post by digital01anarchy


The only problem with that is you know better and to be antagonistic under the current awareness of the situation makes that suggestion no different to what the extremists are doing.

Originally posted by woogleuk
They should pull it, if people are going to get hurt or killed is it worth crying "freedom of speech" over this?

I know it's not right, and I know it goes against everything freedom of speech is supposed to mean, but you have to weigh up the costs involved.

Is it worth risking peoples lives over?

I don't think so.

So anytime terrorists demand we back down or else there will be violence, we should?

reply to post by magma


The other day when I was browsing youtube, the full version was up.... and a short 20 min version which i watched (some of it as it was rubbish anyway.... a little funny but not much)....

Anyway i'd like to know why they are so desperate to stop the Film?

Does it perhaps have too much truth to it?

They dont want all the Muslims who have been brainwashed becoming questionable??

reply to post by PvtHudson


This will be the end of western civilization if we back down and give into their demands. Bowing down to hate and violence is equivalent to destroying love and hope.

reply to post by flexy123


How do you know he was spreading lies about the rain clouds? Not saying it's true, but it is possible, we do have weather mod technology sophisticated enough to do that. I only commented because I thought you put it a weird way. "Spreading lies" as if you believe it's possible, but your disdain for Iran makes it impossible for that instance to be true. Why not say he's crazy instead?

Personally, I doubt it, but it's not totally crazy and a fairly justifiable paranoia for any active enemy of the US facing drought.

As for the movie, I think the whole world would be better off without it, not because of the Muslims feelings, but because it's a total piece of garbage. It serves no purpose but to rile up radical Muslims. It's not entertaining to everyone else and it's definitely no piece of art.

Originally posted by magma

And stop your women wearing short skirts while you're at it too. They find it offensive.

reply to post by winofiend

 

You know if I was in their country I would ensure that I ibide by their rules. Out of courtesy and respect.

But to tell me in my own country that my long legged wife can not wear a short skirt.

Uhm... YEAH; BASTIDS! I'm with ya' here...

That is going to lead to a confrontation.

I agree the movie should be pulled, I can see why it would be deemed offensive.

There are lines in the movie that have been dubbed over, double speak, metaphors
and subtle undertones of brainwashing the mass populace that watch it from any culture.

There are also overt tones of the obvious, I won't even insult your intelligence with what that
is in the way the film maker insulted mine.

Originally posted by woogleuk
They should pull it, if people are going to get hurt or killed is it worth crying "freedom of speech" over this?

And while we are at it, why not let our government censor anything else they think might offend minorities? After all, where do you draw the line. Next it would be pornography, then anti-government sentiment, then opposition political parties, then.....................etc.

Never, ever bow down to these savages. Never give up our freedoms to appease religious zealots.

Originally posted by woogleuk
Is it worth risking peoples lives over?

I don't think so.

You bow to your Islamist masters then, ill fight for my freedom, thank you.

Originally posted by moniesisfun
Honestly? You guys are nuts.

Of course the film should be pulled.

How many will die because we didn't decide to respect their religion?

This is so idiotic of you to say this.

And to say this is because we have freedom of speech?!

You're all insane.

We have our own associations in the US that censor movies all the damned time.

They yank films from being released already.

Giving into terrorists? Over a movie?

Freaking nuts.

Okay, what about this "war on drugs".

What about marijuana being a gateway drug nonsense.

How the hell are you guys thinking that removing what we view as a harmless movie, but they are seriously offended, would be giving into terrorists.

How about respecting their culture and religion??

edit on 17-9-2012 by moniesisfun because: (no reason given)

Is very naive to claim that all that's happening is over a movie. 99% of them protesting have no idea what the movie is like, haven't seen it, just heard about it. And you know why? Because the movie doesn't exist. All (some have seen) is 15 min youtube trailer. Now let's assume that the movie is real and is stirring a whole lot of anger in muslim world and according to human and civilized society standards we have to respect each others feelings and not offend religious figures and believes per say. Shouldn't that be a mutual respect? Shouldn't I take a stand and fight for my right to express my self in a civil manner and oppose the wrong again in a civil manner? How many times a different religion is attacked and offended by Islam only because is not the same as the latest? How many times religious views, figures and ideas are opposed in a violent way from muslims? How many have died decapitated, stoned to death, beaten up etc in the name of a ideology that seams to be build in violence and aggressive behaviour?

And yet, when all this happen, the western world standing to the values of free speech and expression takes in consideration that there are different views and opinions. So moves on and nobody riots on the streets, nobody commits violent acts or murders. But somehow every thing changes when the muslim world feels offended and pull out their teeth to bite us in the @ss, attack and kill us and we have to take a step back, consider them as humans with rights, hearts and feelings even though they are showing totally the opposite of humanity and consideration for human lives? Isn't that to hypocritical at least? Isn't that oppression in the name of a fake peace? How far is going to go till we realise that during all our history as humanity, we made sacrifices in the name of freedom? Should we give up our values and principles because some savages with a medieval mentality want to force upon us their way of thinking and living? Isn't the time now to tell them that the world we like and hope to live in is one where all people have the right to like and to dislike, to approve or oppose an idea, an ideal and why not, a religious path which might look violent, wrong, deprived and so forth? 19 people are dead and that's sad. But by stepping back and let go, aren't we forgetting their deaths? Haven't these people die in vain if we do that? More are going to die in the name of freedom but is a glory death if you hope to leave behind a better world for our children. Humanity has the chance to set the things right and end an era of 2000 years of killings, atrocities, savageries and stupidities committed in the name of religion. Enough is enough !!!

reply to post by Telos


I didn't make the claim, and realize it's much, much deeper than that.

Doesn't mean this can't be the thing that sparks the fire.

Maybe we should help these places/people build a big wall around their borders. Nothing in or out without approval from the masses. That way they can control everything like they want and the evil west will become a fading memory.

I know, that's not fair....but it makes just about as much sense as allowing a small group of extremists to dictate behavior to the rest of the world.

Yank this movie because of a bunch of extreme religious nuts getting their panties all in a wad???!!

Then what will we yank next to appease them?

If the man that made this movie wants to yank it, okay. But NO..NEVER...especially now that they have turned into murderous animals, should we bow to their demands. (The movie was just an excuse anyway.)

Originally posted by magma
reply to post by 46ACE

 

We quarantine dangerous diseases. So they don't spread or cause illness and suffering.

We do find out about the dangerous disease and we do have an action plan to prevent the spread. We do not just go and cull all of the people who might have the disease we take some time to find out who actually has it.

(it is a bit different with chickens though)

I specifically used the word "quarantine" not "decimate"...
(As in: "blockade","No-fly"in or out,"filter"/screen "fence in",cutoff access to...)

To those that think the film should be taken off, take these examples:

Women or men that get physically abused and are often killed by their violent partners should know better and stop annoying them, shut up and do exactly as their partners demand. After all annoying them gets them violent and we don't want that to happen now do we?

Women who get raped shouldn't wear any revealing clothes because that will make men ape them.

All I can see is that these backwards idiots are doing the same. It is time they were taught a lesson. It is them that are creating hell and noone else.

The filmmaker did not kill anyone. It is them that do all the killing, which in my opinion is a million times worse than any movie or anger they have towards the west. "Look what you've done, you made me kill my own people!"

I think we should let them do what they can't stop and hope that those other [moderate] muslims around them get fed up enough to sort them out by themselves. The extremists need a good kicking, like a bully at school, no other language works.

Seriously I do not like any religion but then again Islam isn't really a religion than a kind of political ideal with a god and a [very human] prophet thrown in. It doesn't aim for the followers to reach a state of bliss and peace with the world or nature but to conquer and look down at [or kill] those that do not agree. It is a tyrants dream and very well thought through. If it was really such a brilliant way of life, why don't people queue up to join instead of being forced, blackmailed and killed?

Being understanding of these people will never work, they won't suddenly go all nice, they will use it as a weakness to walk all over us!

Originally posted by woogleuk
I know it's not right, and I know it goes against everything freedom of speech is supposed to mean, but you have to weigh up the costs involved.

Today this, tomorrow stricter partial implementations of sharia in the non-islamic countries. Whats next? Thats how they increase and conquer. Islam has forcefully converted many citizens of many nations to muslims going back in time including destruction/conversion of landmarks which represented religion other than islam. Which they will not talk about it nor would make movies or display their real motive in the open. I can give you several links but I have seen your posts and you are very well capable of googling the religious/hate crimes committed by islamic nations even to this date. Below are just few links.
Search for 'landmarks destroyed by islamic rulers'. All in the name of religion and to convert people to islam by force.

LINK1
LINK2

Originally posted by moniesisfun
Honestly? You guys are nuts.

Of course the film should be pulled.

How many will die because we didn't decide to respect their religion?

This is so idiotic of you to say this.

And to say this is because we have freedom of speech?!

You're all insane.

We have our own associations in the US that censor movies all the damned time.

They yank films from being released already.

Giving into terrorists? Over a movie?

Freaking nuts.

Okay, what about this "war on drugs".

What about marijuana being a gateway drug nonsense.

How the hell are you guys thinking that removing what we view as a harmless movie, but they are seriously offended, would be giving into terrorists.

How about respecting their culture and religion??

edit on 17-9-2012 by moniesisfun because: (no reason given)

I understand your sentiments, but if countries yield to the demands of terrorists due to fear of violent reprisal, it will only empower those who have perpetrated these barbaric acts of violence over the last week.

I find it ironic that the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and other radical groups have made incessant demands regarding censorship of the film on the grounds that it is offensive, yet their primary modus operandi is to promote intolerance and breed hatred of western nations and the various religions and belief systems they encompass.

Let's be clear, this is not about the movie, it was the spark to light a fire. It's about a clash of ideologies.

If western countries ban the film, do you honestly think peace will suddenly reign throughout the middle east and radical muslims will suddenly tolerate Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and all other religions that they have clashed with time and time again throughout history?

It's time to stand up to the fanatic barabaric animals that threaten our freedom and send a clear message that we will not be intimidated by their medieval tactics.

The movie is just something they can use to enrage Muslims. It is just a smokescreen for the real agenda. Until the Muslim world embraces tolerance and freedom of speech there will never be peace in the world. Americans will never bow to Muslim law on our own land.

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Originally posted by Humanity4Ever

Let's be clear, this is not about the movie, it was the spark to light a fire. It's about a clash of ideologies.

Fully agree.

If western countries ban the film, do you honestly think peace will suddenly reign throughout the middle east and radical muslims will suddenly tolerate Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and all other religions that they have clashed with time and time again throughout history?

No. Not in the least. I think it simply buys us a little more time to try and find a more effective way through this mess.

It's time to stand up to the fanatic barabaric animals that threaten our freedom and send a clear message that we will not be intimidated by their medieval tactics.

If that be the case, let's call out the exact groups and their leaders who are causing the bloodshed.

I'd ask the same of us towards our own country. Some people out there are anti-american, yet we all know here it's just a few psychos and their minions who are causing this systemic collapse. It's the same damned thing over there. A few psychos and their brainwashed minions.

I say we take out the psychos in our country, and inspire other countries to do the same.

That's a pipe dream, though...I guess good, yet brainwashed people taking each other out is a more realistic option.



it just sucks.


--whoops, you're from Canada...apologies!!

It's not even about the movie; that's a pathetic excuse.
It's about imposing their will and their laws. Do as I say or suffer the consequences.

Shouldn't this matter be solved in a court of law? Actually they can make a lot of money from it, in the right way, and I'm sure they could find a good lawyer to represent their hurt feelings. But I guess that only blood can satisfy these suckers.
Is just a video on YouTube, nothing worth killing for. But somehow we seem to believe we deserve it.