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Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by adjensen
I don't really struggle with it, since it's physical in nature it had to be created, thus the Creator must exist outside of it, and prior to it.
No, it isn't the fact of it that I can't sort out, but the nature of it.
But, as you say, no sense to struggle with it.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by adjensen
I don't really struggle with it, since it's physical in nature it had to be created, thus the Creator must exist outside of it, and prior to it.
No, it isn't the fact of it that I can't sort out, but the nature of it.
But, as you say, no sense to struggle with it.
Originally posted by raiders247
Who cares?
What good does it do to ponder the claims of historical science fiction?
We should debate facts not hearsay... just my 2 cents
Originally posted by flashtrum
Originally posted by raiders247
Who cares?
What good does it do to ponder the claims of historical science fiction?
We should debate facts not hearsay... just my 2 cents
But wait - the OP SAID it was a "well known fact" that the dude flew up into space. But seriously. OP, it's not a well-known fact. It might be well known that lots of people believe it to be true, but that does not make it true. Many people used to believe it true that the earth was flat. Did that make it true? Of course not.
Faith and Fact are two different things. You'll never, ever be able to prove that some dude floated up into space, nor can you prove Jesus rose to life and took his flight up to Jupiter.
I'm not debating your argument about what your scriptures say or what you are trying to argue, but I think starting out any post with "It's a well known fact" is asking for scrutiny.
It's a well known fact in Islam
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Evolution doesn't occur due to random events, infact it occurs due to the complete opposite of random
I think that you're confusing evolution with natural selection. The root of evolution is random change, natural selection is the non-random component which determines if the random change is beneficial to survival. Without randomness, nothing would change, and there would be nothing for natural selection to select for.
Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All Societies
More detailed information on each one plus the references these are from at the link
1. The mosque and state are not separate.
2. Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms.
3. Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions – a holy war.
4. A captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for other prisoners, or released freely.
5. A woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now owners).
6. Property can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad.
7. Jihad may be waged to collect spoils.
8. A second-class submission tax, called the jizyah, must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living in Islamic countries.
9. Slavery is allowed.
10. A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls.
11. Slaves may be beaten.
12. Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves Islam (an apostate).
13. Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam or Muhammad.
14. Drinkers and gamblers may be flogged.
15. An injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting legal and literal revenge – physical eye for physical eye.
16. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off.
17. A highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.
18. Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed.
19. Fornicators may be flogged.
20. Adulterers may be stoned to death.
21. False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times.
22. A woman inherits half what a man does.
23. A woman’s testimony in a court of law counts half of a man’s testimony, since she might “forget.”
24. A man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.”
25. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex with him, and then this second man divorces her.
26. Husbands may hit their wives.
27. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
28. A man may simply get rid of one of his “undesirable” wives.
29. A mature man may marry a prepubescent girl.
30. A woman must wear a head covering and maybe a facial veil, according to sound traditions and authoritative classical law.
www.jihadwatch.org...
Is there any spiritual teaching in the Koran?
Dont eat pork is not a spiritual teaching.
72 virgins for the jihadists who dies while
trying to kill infidels, is not a spiritual teaching.
The Gospels of Jesus are a spiritual teaching of
self sacrifice.
Lest you be like a child you cannot enter the Kingdom of
heaven is a spiritual teaching.
None of the below are spiritual teachings.
They are pagan ritual rules.
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Evolution doesn't occur due to random events, infact it occurs due to the complete opposite of random
I think that you're confusing evolution with natural selection. The root of evolution is random change, natural selection is the non-random component which determines if the random change is beneficial to survival. Without randomness, nothing would change, and there would be nothing for natural selection to select for.
Well you'd be incorrect to think that....
While random elements such as mutations-genetic variation are part of evolution, it's guided and moulded by natural selection which is in-turn acting on that variation in a very non-random way making the overall process the complete opposite of random.
This argument is often used as a signifier for someone who doesn't understand evolution very well....
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by adjensen
To anyone with the above mentality, mostly to OP, by the way i am new, so forgive me, i'l learn fast.
Because the Messiah is the King of Kings, he came from above and so he is above all else and he bears the Name Above All Names, this includes Muhammad, however in islam they revere Muhammad over Jesus and call him the "Messenger of Allah" which is a blatant finger pointed at Jesus calling him a liar when he is the Messenger, the Angel of the Lord, the physical incarnation of our God manifested. The contradictions in the Quran point at it clearly being a forgery and a poor one at that and it takes someone with eyes to see to know it. Just like how the Quran says Allah has no partner, but Muhammad says for people to worship himself because he is their Lord and if Allah has no "partner" then how is Muhammad his Messenger when Muhammads words claim he is the "Angel of the Lord"? The hebrew word for angel translates as "messenger". It takes a person who reads both books to see the lies Muhammad claims. No lie can remain hidden from the Spirit of Truth.edit on 19-9-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
It's a well known fact in Islam that Muhammad ascended to heaven and decended, but this claim is a bold lie ...
actually, he may have.
it is a known truism of the occult that there are...
"susceptible types"...
who on achieving astral projection...
well... lets say they go overboard and think they're messengers of the most high and such like,
it's the same with initiation experiences and the messiah complex.
or are we to understand that all these folks who claim they've been to heaven or hell and bring a message from jesus are fakes too?edit on 18-9-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: fixed quote
Let's talk a little bit about Mohammed's "journeys". Have you ever heard the story of when Mohammed flew to Jerusalem on Al-Buraq? Apparently it was not a dream, but it actually happened. The story goes like this, Mohammed was presented with Al-Buraq (for the purpose of semantics, I will say donkey), On this donkey, he apparently flew to Jerusalem, tied it to a ring in the wall that is usually reserved for prophets, He then walked into the temple at Jerusalem and announced his prophethood to the Jews who accepted his prophethood. Then he flew away.
What is the problem with this story? The temple he apparently flew to had been destroyed 500 years earlier. There could be no temple to enter, and the ring he apparently tied his donkey to never existed at any time.
Mohammed made up stories. People had to believe it or else. Those who disputed him surprisingly found themselves dead.
Can you see how he was trying to convince people of his messiahship in imitation of Jesus? Mohammed says all prophets of the Bible testified of him. Yet every prophet in the Bible testified of several things, they prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem, they prophesied of the dispersion of the Jews who would one day come back to the nation of Israel and they prophesied of the coming messiah. In an effort to convince people, Mohammed ripped off stories from the Bible that he didn't get right.
Several instances:
He says Haman was a vizier under Pharaoh
He says the red heifer of Moses was yellow
He says Noah's son was lost in the flood
He says Alexander the Great travelled until he came to the place where the sun sets in a murky pool.
He said the palm trees cried and food spoke to him.
He said the Jews say Ezra is the messiah
So you can see from just these examples that the man was a nut case. He was a raging megalomaniac that raped a little girl, raped captive women, killed anyone who disagreed with him and destroyed many villages. He convinced his adopted son to give him his wife. Then made adoption illegal.
Why is there anything about this man that makes him rasoulallah, the one to be emulated. Why do people worship this man?
BTW, he said Adam was 90 feet tall yet Eve was normal size and a crow taught Cain how to bury Abel. You would think if he were a true prophet, at least he would have known correctly about Haman. But then again, he said Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the sister of Aaron, the brother of Moses, but yet not the sister of Moses. That simple confusion found its way into the Quran. Amazing.
He said that if he ever says an untrue prophecy that allah would cut his aorta. Interestingly enough, he was poisoned by a Jewish woman whose family he just slaughtered. He said his aorta was cut....what poetic justice. He died in Aisha's bed. He destroyed her life, no one should feel sorry for this man and no one should emulate him. He was not worthy of praise as he said his name means.
Originally posted by logical7
you seem to be drinking a lot of info from places you go to seek validation for your thick opinions.
Originally posted by logical7
What i exactly meant is he is going to anti-islamic sites to find about islam.
Its like going to the Jews who rejected the messiah to learn about how was Jesus.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Muhammad(pbuh) did not preach any message contrary to previous prophets, i.e. "worship One God"
he did preach much longer than Jesus(pbuh) and had to deal with matters of state as statesman, about defense as a general, in all a leader in many senses.
Jesus(pbuh) would also kill n rule to uphold justice after the 2nd coming.
But what i see is you are hell bent to push n prove billions are in error
well just to be just. Could you just acknowledge that billions on the christian side could be wrong too??