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Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Akragon
Its my choice... i don't know if its wrong or not...
I simply don't feel the need to harm another living being... Perhaps it is God given morality... maybe not..
You answered with a very dangerous statement. You don't know whether it is wrong or not, and because you do not know then any murder can be justified in your opinion?
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
It's a well known fact in Islam that Muhammad ascended to heaven and decended, but this claim is a bold lie ...
actually, he may have.
it is a known truism of the occult that there are...
"susceptible types"...
who on achieving astral projection...
well... lets say they go overboard and think they're messengers of the most high and such like,
it's the same with initiation experiences and the messiah complex.
or are we to understand that all these folks who claim they've been to heaven or hell and bring a message from jesus are fakes too?edit on 18-9-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: fixed quote
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
You answered with a very dangerous statement. You don't know whether it is wrong or not, and because you do not know then any murder can be justified in your opinion?
...
Wern't we talking about killing flies?
:bnghd:edit on 19-9-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
or are we to understand that all these folks who claim they've been to heaven or hell and bring a message from Jesus are fakes too?
Four year old met his mother’s miscarried child in Heaven
"Colton, still 4 years old, told his mother “you had a baby die in your tummy didn’t you”, which completely shocked them both because they had never told him about their miscarriage. They asked him how he knew and he said that he met his sister in Heaven and she told him what happened."
"Well he’s 7 years old now and it took a couple of years for his parents to really understand what happened, but when Colton Burpo was four years he was having surgery in the hospital for a burst appendix. While he was in surgery he apparently had some sort of out of body experience and could see what his parents were doing. He witnessed that his dad was praying and his mom on her cellphone. Both parents say they have no clue how he knew that, but that it’s absolutely true. And the story just gets more interesting from there.
Apparently during the same surgery Colton went to Heaven where he recounts how he met his grandfather who he had never known, who he later recognized in photos. The interesting thing is that he didn’t recognize photos of his grandfather as an old man with glasses, which is how everyone knew him, but rather as a young man. Colton’s father literally had go find a photo of ‘Pop’ as a young man before Colton was able to recognize him. Now that’s pretty wild.
Link
Did Muhammad ascend to heaven and descend...
South Korean pastor, Bo Ra Choi has seen visions of hell for several years. She has seen many people in hell. She saw Muhammad suffering in hell.
Pastor Bo Ra Choi words convey a powerful statement as to the AGONY that the False Prophet Muhammad is enduring. Each Soul that enters hell because they followed the lie of Islam increases Muhammad's suffering. In the video Muhammad begs those being mislead by Satan through Islam to flee Islam and follow the Divine Son of GOD JESUS CHRIST.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
You answered with a very dangerous statement. You don't know whether it is wrong or not, and because you do not know then any murder can be justified in your opinion?
...
Wern't we talking about killing flies?
:bnghd:edit on 19-9-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
You mentioned flies. Why would I make an issue about whether you were killing flies or not.
The question put forth to you was "is murder wrong?" You answered "I don't know". Perhaps you are getting a little tired and have forgotten your own arguments.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
Is it wrong to murder or not? That is a simple question with a simple answer. Don't tell me how society thinks, don't tell me about your upbringing, tell me the answer from your own perspective. Is murder wrong or not?
If murder is wrong, then that must be truth. The statement "thou shalt not kill" is an absolute truth. There is no room for relativism within absolute. Either something is wrong or it is right. So then, is it wrong to murder?
Personally... yes i believe it is wrong...
Not everyone would agree... I consider 90% of the Deaths in the bible to be murder... not everyone agrees...
Originally posted by raiders247
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
So it took me a while but I read all 3 of your posts. Now I feel like an idiot because I wasted time thinking maybe just maybe you will make a point, or shine light on some kind of real evidence.
You quoting other people, reciting passages, posting videos of proven idiots (kent hovind) and quoting scientists does absolutely NOTHING to prove that a god exists.
The only claim I have made, and all of you continue to ignore this, is that there has yet to be any sufficient non-refutable evidence that a creator exists. If you can prove me wrong I'll eat my words and drown in guilt and repent. But somebody prove it first, please.
Originally posted by TTAA2012
I'm a Christian and I have to disagree. "Religion" and the "Church" have killed more people than any other institution in the history of the world.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MamaJ
If it came from Egypt in the 4th century it's a Gnostic text.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MamaJ
Sorry lady, I trust His closest friends written statements from the first century over completely different written statements about him from people who never knew Him in the 4th century. In 2,000 years if there were written accounts of your life found, some from your closest friends written about 2030 AD and others that lets say showed you were a muslim written in 2385 AD in Brazil, which ones would you hope people rejected or accepted?
The early church fathers rejected the texts out of Alexandria because of corruption, and they were contemporaries to them. I'm sorry, bit if the authors of the Gnostic texts refused to have honesty with something as simple as the titles and authorship of their letters, on what basis should I trust the contents inside the letters themselves? Gnostic doctrines and letters aren't just unbiblical, they're ANTIbiblical. Jesus is the Truth and the Light of the world, i don't believe He was a schizophrenic.
Really? You believe we are all going to evolve into the Jewish Messiah, God's only Son in the flesh?
ETA: there are two active threads for this letter right now on ATS, please take your comments about the newly found document there please.
edit on 19-9-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
"Sheol" in Hebrew means "grave". Every corpse in every cemetery on Earth is in sheol.
What is the problem with this story? The temple he apparently flew to had been destroyed 500 years earlier. There could be no temple to enter, and the ring he apparently tied his donkey to never existed at any time.
1- Look, you can stick to the doctrine that's been tampered with and filled with half truths 2-or you can discover the truer meaning behind Jesus for yourself.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MamaJ
If it came from Egypt in the 4th century it's a Gnostic text.
And?
Look, you can stick to the doctrine that's been tampered with and filled with half truths or you can discover the truer meaning behind Jesus for yourself.
You are the same one who suggests Manly P. Hall is a Satan worshipper without ever hearing his loving messages/ lectures to mankind. The man lived to help people and give them wisdom so we may not perish like other civilizations. He worshipped Jesus, yet you deny your own brother.
How can you dismiss something without ever hearing or seeing it?
You can dismiss that Jesus actually lived like the rest of us, with a family, you can continue to bury your head and make excuses as to why you have been lied to by the church fathers. It's too political! Not enough truth.
The truth is Jesus reincarnated from the first Adam and even before the First Adam. He evolved, just like you and I.
We are to all evolve into Christ. Plain and simple.edit on 19-9-2012 by MamaJ because: (no reason given)