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Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by raiders247
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
At least with Jesus you won't be dropping anvils on anyone's heads.
You are right! Instead we would advocate slavery, incest, genocide and narcissism.
An anvil seems harmless in comparison.
None of that has ever been done by the Church.
Originally posted by Akragon
Its tragic that you don't see what i do within the bible but some people just arn't meant to understand.
On the other hand i don't post things about people that wern't said as you do either.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That is an obvious fact, not a subjective truth...
IF you believe there is only one God, yet another religion says there is many... which is truth?
Obviously both parties have their own truth of the matter...
Well, I've asked you a bunch of times to cite the evidence that you say is there, and you've yet to show anything that demonstrates you're correct. So I guess either it's only evident to you, or you're not too concerned about the "tragedy" of other people missing out on it.
Which, as I've pointed out before, doesn't make the slightest difference. If you're right, everyone just reboots and gets another go at deciphering the mysteries, but if you're wrong, you've intentionally misrepresented God and tried to turn people against him. Doesn't seem like a winning proposition.
Huh? Are you saying that you didn't say that truth was subjective? Or taking back your statement that you wouldn't do something, and God wouldn't, either?
Then you agree truth is not subjective? Which is it?
And in your example, truth is still absolute, one of those two groups is incorrect, or both. Their beliefs/opinions do not alter truth.
There is no thing as "subjective truth", something that is subjectively true is an opinion.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Then you agree truth is not subjective? Which is it?
Didn't i say "not all truth is subjective?" Or was that Relative?
And in your example, truth is still absolute, one of those two groups is incorrect, or both. Their beliefs/opinions do not alter truth.
What if there is ONE and Many?
There is no thing as "subjective truth", something that is subjectively true is an opinion.
So is the existance of God an opinion?
Originally posted by Akragon
Huh? Are you saying that you didn't say that truth was subjective? Or taking back your statement that you wouldn't do something, and God wouldn't, either?
i was refering to another thread... Im still waiting for my quote somewhere on these forums... Something about Christianity and Judaism accepting the idea of reincarnation?
Originally posted by logical7
how can you refute a claim by quoting a claim by another.
Its like "my religion says your religion is wrong"
ya, everyone heard that million times from millions.
Anything new???
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by adjensen
To anyone with the above mentality, mostly to OP, by the way i am new, so forgive me, i'l learn fast.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Then you agree truth is not subjective? Which is it?
Didn't i say "not all truth is subjective?" Or was that Relative?
And in your example, truth is still absolute, one of those two groups is incorrect, or both. Their beliefs/opinions do not alter truth.
What if there is ONE and Many?
There is no thing as "subjective truth", something that is subjectively true is an opinion.
So is the existance of God an opinion?
There cannot be only one God and many Gods. That violates the Law of Noncontradiction. That's an epic logic fail. Im not being condescending but have you ever had a course in logic or Philosophy? Plato? Socrates? In your example one of the two groups is wrong, or both are. Both cannot be right because their truth claims contradict.
His existence or non-existence would be an objective truth either way, however, my faith in His existence is a subjective belief/opinion.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Akragon
Huh? Are you saying that you didn't say that truth was subjective? Or taking back your statement that you wouldn't do something, and God wouldn't, either?
i was refering to another thread... Im still waiting for my quote somewhere on these forums... Something about Christianity and Judaism accepting the idea of reincarnation?
If you claim that something is in the Hebrew Bible, then you're claiming that it is accepted doctrine by Jews, because that book is their religion. But where you read reincarnation, everyone else reads resurrection, so my point still stands.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by adjensen
To anyone with the above mentality, mostly to OP, by the way i am new, so forgive me, i'l learn fast.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Akragon
Huh? Are you saying that you didn't say that truth was subjective? Or taking back your statement that you wouldn't do something, and God wouldn't, either?
i was refering to another thread... Im still waiting for my quote somewhere on these forums... Something about Christianity and Judaism accepting the idea of reincarnation?
If you claim that something is in the Hebrew Bible, then you're claiming that it is accepted doctrine by Jews, because that book is their religion. But where you read reincarnation, everyone else reads resurrection, so my point still stands.
In the "Christian" bible, does it not say... You should kill homosexuals? Witches... and other people of different beliefs?
By your logic this would also be accepted doctrine by christian/jewish standards...
Perhaps you're from Westboro? I didn't know they had a Catholic sect honestly...
Originally posted by raiders247
Originally posted by DeadSeraph
reply to post by raiders247
What's amazing is that you fail to realize your own logical fallacies. Demanding proof of God, and then subsequently shouting at the top of your lungs that you are an atheist, doesn't make you intelligent. It makes you an idiot.
Multiple people here have tried to point out the flaws in your logic, but because you disagree with their beliefs you have rejected their logic outright.
The only logical conclusion for someone opposed to the idea of a creator to come to, is agnosticism. Atheism requires just as much of a stretch of faith as theism does, as neither can currently be "proven".
Wasn't aware one could shout on a message board, but hey that's to be expected by someone who has the ability to believe without proof. You guys never fail to amaze me!
My logic is rock solid: Make a claim, back it up with more than conjecture.
I'm not opposed to the idea of a creator anymore than I'm opposed to martians. I would gladly accept it given there was proof. Agnosticism is just a gateway to becoming an Atheist, I was there once. I refuse to believe in ANYTHING without proof first. And if you looked at your own life you probably don't believe things without evidence either except for when it comes to god, why is that?
The only claim I have made, and all of you continue to ignore this, is that there has yet to be any sufficient non-refutable evidence that a creator exists. If you can prove me wrong I'll eat my words and drown in guilt and repent. But somebody prove it first, please.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen
Oh come on now.... you know damn well i was joking...
The point being... Just because some people don't interprete it the same doesn't mean its not there...
Originally posted by DeadSeraph
I have seen certain things in my life which have left me no doubt that there is something greater at work in the universe. These things coincided with very specific elements of the Christian faith, and left very little room for argument. None of this will ever be good enough for anyone, and I don't expect them to be (nor am I interested in sharing these very personal experiences with others on a public forum). I suspect that you have had similar experiences (in the sense of SUBJECTIVE evidences) that God does not exist. Neither of us can be proven 100% right at this particular juncture in time. That is why I have said that it is a logical fallacy to conclude an absence of proof is proof of absence.