Warp Drive May Be More Feasible Than Thought, Scientists Say

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posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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NASA knows that soon the PRIVATE SECTOR will discover the truths NASA has been hiding from us.
They are doing damage control, releasing this information -- because they've been naysaying and gathering our tax money for global kill grid, not space travel.

It's sad to see such times -- so many lies.



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They make you laugh
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In the end they try to eat your soul

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posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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But the lawa of physics as we know it prohibit the transformation of information faster than light, because that would be time travel. If this warp drive became a reality, dispatching information faster than light would become possible...



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by masterp
But the lawa of physics as we know it prohibit the transformation of information faster than light, because that would be time travel. If this warp drive became a reality, dispatching information faster than light would become possible...
by 'synching' two remote locations by altering their local gravity, is it possible to force superposition with disregard to physical distance and thereby "instantly" transmit, if properly attenuated?
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by masterp
But the lawa of physics as we know it prohibit the transformation of information faster than light, because that would be time travel. If this warp drive became a reality, dispatching information faster than light would become possible...


Not quite. The laws of physics prohibit the transfer of information faster than light when moving through space.
Technically it is by requiring that the laws of physics are invariant to Lorentz transformations.

In General Relativity, those are local to the reference frame. Warp drive is "warping the metric" of space (metric = math word describing how distances are computed), so that locally the physics has the proper transformation products as usual, but globally the effect is different from in flat space.

So in a hypothetical warp drive, locally no information is transmitted faster than the speed of light in it's own frame and physics lives on.

Gravitational lensing is the observed consequence of this phenomenon---even if you warp space, light in that warped space will get somewhere the fastest.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by masterp
But the lawa of physics as we know it prohibit the transformation of information faster than light, because that would be time travel. If this warp drive became a reality, dispatching information faster than light would become possible...


For the transfer of information, if I'm not mistaken by utilizing Quantum entanglement you can create "spooky action at a distance" to instantaneously transmit or replicate information at an arbitrarily distant location, thereby bypassing the laws of relativity. This unintuitive physical phenomenon was something even Einstein failed to explain or disprove. As far as I know they've already teleported some particles using this technique in 2009 so they can further improve on it to teleport signals (messages) across that distance. I'm not an expert on the subject but that's as much as I know.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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I take issue with the the language of using a loop hole. Nature doesn't have a legal system. To quote CS Lewis
"To say that a stone falls to earth because it's obeying a law makes it a man and even a citizen." If warp drive is possible then it was built into the system to begin with and it has just been discovered as a property that can be utilized.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
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IMO Nasa is all talk and it will end there. Hmmm....
They will go to the extent of boycotting someone who already has a warp drive .
Double standards if you ask me



Interesting, given the claims made by members of ATS regarding their 'simple' optical devices that can see objects and energy through solid rocks... or harness the stored power of say... the trapped stresses in a block of plastic...

Id say those too are 'all talk'


The only all talk part of the whole warp drive thing is that it requires this ring of 'exotic' matter. Exactly what that is and even if that is possible is where the real science would be, or alternatively were the total fantasy would be. It is possible to dream up all kinds of things, them being even possible let alone 'realistic' is what people are failing to see.



posted on Apr, 11 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Realistically speaking we could have a viable Warp Drive in less that 1000 years and 1000 years ago people generally thought the world was flat.

We also thought powered flight was impossible.

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posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 04:17 AM
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This is a popular misinterpretation. Entanglement is observed by comparison of the measurement results of the entangled pairs. You can't even say whether there is entanglement if you don't have access to data from both measurements. No instantaneous information transfer here.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 04:28 AM
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Yes the information "transfer" is only a deduction of information from an observation made on a given particle which is "entagled" with another particle off a distance. So theoretically isn't it possible to manipulate a particle here which will cause a measurable effect with its far away quantum pair, therefore effectively transmitting information

Edit: Just realized that you were saying we can't guarantee an entagled pair without observing both particles so without controlling both ends we can't blindly telegraph signals over such particles. Need to do more reading on the topic, thanks for the info.
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posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 07:03 AM
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Time, as it cannot be smelt, touched, seen, or heard, does it really exist? everything else can be detected by at least one of the senses, apart from space, as its 'empty' but it can be 'seen' as people say, "I see nothing" so warping time is illogical to me.(thank you Spock).



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 07:24 AM
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One thing they need to consider with travelling FTL is how to prevent particles in space hitting the craft and demolishing it. However, if they are warping space around it then perhaps this wouldn't happen. Another way to counter this might involve the use of plasma shields.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Actually warp drive could be completely different.

how about a warp drive that lightens the ship via manipulating the higgs field





posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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The Higgs boson is believed to confer mass upon matter. Perhaps if the Higgs field could be manipulated, an antigravity domain might be created around matter, such as a space vessel. This could conceivably serve the same purpose as a ring or torus of dense, exotic matter would in a Alcubierre warp drive, and in the new modifications of it, discussed lately.
A space warping gravity gradient might be produced in either case, the important feature being a concentration of mass surrounding a relatively massless center.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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The Higgs Boson discovery is important and vital for warp drive to reach the stars.

WIth that discovery, it is only a matter of time before we will be able to manipulate it, the way we discovered magnetic fields and later electricity which comes with positives and negatives, which are laws of physics.

When we send or receive a signal from our satellites in space, it uses the electromagnetic fields and can pass through many other physic fields such as gravitional and atmospherics fields, without any side effects. So too can a warp drive perform norminal with many other fields in play.

All it needs is dedicated research, more so from our young whom are often beholden to no one unlike professors and professional-researchers whom are beholden to egos and research grants and cannot afford to make mistakes.

Not making mistakes and fear of failure are the greatest mistakes to progress and evolution. Our species are only flawed mortals, and much of our progress and evolution had came from making mistakes BUT with the honesty to admit to them, to correct and thus progress to where we are today.

Our planet's greatest inventor was Edison. He made 99% mistakes, and only his perseverance for that 1% saw success. And it was his 1% that was enough to change our world. May our young take heart from that and seek fearlessly.



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

When we send or receive a signal from our satellites in space, it uses the electromagnetic fields and can pass through many other physic fields such as gravitional and atmospherics fields, without any side effects. So too can a warp drive perform norminal with many other fields in play.



I read that in the voice of Bobo from the SP episode of Jewpacabra and it is scary how the electromagnetic fields can pass through the fields.
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posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by hisshadow
Actually warp drive could be completely different.

how about a warp drive that lightens the ship via manipulating the higgs field




What if the 'higgs field' is space-time itself?



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 11:06 PM
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what if higgs doesn't exist?



posted on Apr, 12 2013 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Eonnn
what if higgs doesn't exist?


Im skeptical of the theory slightly... But anyway, if not the higgs, what do you think mass is? what do you think gives particles mass?



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by TheProphetMark

At the speed of light, an object would have infinite mass, clearly impossible. In any case, even at near light speed, the nearest star system, Alpha Centauri, is about a 4 1/2-year voyage away.



At near light speed the journey would take only a number of months to Alpha Centauri from the travellers perspective. And surely travel time should always be quoted from the travellers perspective?

If we can accelerate up to near light speed fairly quickly then any point in the visible universe is within reach within a human lifetime as long as you don't mind that your home wont be there when you return.

The main advantage warp travel would give is there shouldn't be any relativistic effects, meaning you can return home. If you class this as an advantage





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