The Androids are coming

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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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The Androids are coming
I hope you will enjoy my first real thread here on ATS. Parts of the text have been translated by hand, are from my feather or have been translated by google but tried to fixed by me. Have fun


Emotionless soldier, willing sexpartner or disgust free nurse. In the future, robots will be a important part of our future.

Albert Einstein blinks with his eyes, frowns his face and smiles. Surprisingly, he wiggles his ears. Then he introduces himself with unaccented English. Off course, this is not the real Einstein, his voice was a bit higher and he spoke English with hard German accent.

This new Einstein is a robot called "Albert Einstein Hubo", build by US manufacturer Hanson Robotics, in South Korea. Hubo stands for "Humonoid Robot. His face is so humanoid that you will be scared. 30 artifical face muscles actuated by servo motors are doing the job.
Watch a short video about HUBO on YouTube:


"Jules" is interested in your sex life
Jules, also build by Hanson Robotics utilizes high definition cameras in his eyes that will identificates and fixiates the person it speaks to. His program provides him with a highly developed memory, and he responds unfriendly, if not treated nicely. Among others, he answers insults, he practices so revenge. Moreover, he has well sophisticated conversational skills, similar to those of "Jarvis", a AI computer featured in the Iron Man movies.

In a conversation with his engineers, he reflects on the meaning of his existence. He says to a child also present:
"I'm a baby, just like you when you grow up, I'll be as smart as a real person." Furthermore, it questions you, apparently due to a quirk of its builders, about your sex life. However, the designers decided to keep the head open, so he is to be identified with wires, actuators.

He has a disturbing degree of consideration and awareness. Jules may be able to finish the "Turing-Test", a test already proposed by computer pioneer Alan Turing im 1950.
A human questioner is sitting at a monitor and a keyboard. Two "people", unknown to him -one machine, one human- are trying to convince the questioner that they are thinking humans. If the questioner is not able to differ between both, the Turing-Test is passed.
Watch the intro video from Jules:




The "Geminoid"
Professor Hiroshi Ishiguro from the University of Osaka used his own face as a template for his twin. He even took his own Hair and gave him his voice.
Similar to Jules, the twin robot thinks about his actions (and the actions from others), wich he may speak about to other people. Experts attest "him" a disturbing level of thought and consciousness." Ishiguro, however, seems to be a true misanthrope: At meetings, he likes to be replaced by its robotic twin, by whose mouth he speaks.
The remote-controlled doppelganger looks always rather "not amused".



Toys, Colleges, Workers
The examples show that the robots could be with us soon. They could serve as a more or less intelligent toys, educators, partners or colleagues. The necessity for this is likely to exist in many areas.
Just think of the sick and elderly, which lack the care from disgust free professionals today. To be accepted by people, the machines must not only - as Albert Hubo - become a more human-like. For this purpose they must be able to recognize their emotions and state of mind, and to respond appropriately.

Feeling sensors could check moods!
The computer scientist Rosalind Picard of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), described "emotional processing" (PDF) as early as 1997 in her book "Affective Computing".
Feeling sensors have already been tested in call centers. They analyze the voices of the person being called to find out where these conversations were annoying or offensive. Systems that are programmed based on these experiences, could be built for example, in navigation devices in the car, which hear, if the driver is stressed, for example, in a traffic jam, and he then suggest a quieter stretch or to take a break.

"Robodoc" Researchers at the University of California build a system that could detect 88 percent of the cases correctly, if people had real pain (in the experiments people dipped their hands in ice water) or if the pain was only simulated. They were better than human medical laymen who were right only 50 percent.

British and U.S. EDV specialists programmed an "Interactive Social-Emotional Toolkit" (ISET, as: interactive social-emotional tool !WATCH THIS!).
It will help to detect diseases in children, that are associated with disorders of emotional processing in the brain - such as autism. For this purpose, a camera reads 31 combinations of facial expressions and head movements. This will allow conclusions on the receptivity and ability of the children to feelings.

The psychologist Paul Ekman, a former researcher at the University of California in San Francisc[/url]o and now works as a consultant wants to develop similar systems of lie detectors, which are much more sensitive than conventional polygraph. One possible technology, too, but still in its early stages, is the so-called Laser Doppler Vibrometer. The infrared laser registers stress indicators from a distance, such as increased breathing or heart rate. This could also help in interrogations, to unmask a liar, but also expose "people with terrorist intentions" at the security gates of airports.

Still, the error rates in today´s systems are immense. In addition, their use could violate privacy rights. Therefore, such emotion sensors should be used only with the consent of those affected. How the development will actually run, can be guessed on the basis of security mania of certain authorities and politicians. This could be used for all sorts of purposes, for example to detect crime intentions.

An experiment with "political activists" performed at the University of Houston in Texas, already went in this direction: The subjects were stealing checks in an empty room, which were issued on opposing political groups.
However, they should deny the theft. In a mock interrogation, they took a close look at a sensor that measures blood flow to the face. During stress it reinforces what makes us blush too. The system identified in 82 percent of the trial runs each 24 "guilty" and 15 "innocent" subjects correctly.
edit on 17-9-2012 by StareDad because: fixed embarrassing typing mistake in the title.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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The military
The aim of the military research is to create autonomous combat robots to replace soldiers and save lives. South Korea and Israel progressed very far. SK put stationary systems on the border with North Korea and Israel on the Gaza Strip. They are equipped with opto-electronic sensors and machine guns. The Israeli system called Sentry Tech identifies targets - people or vehicles that are trying to overcome the frontier barriers - and transmits the data to a command center. The people in command there then decide whether fired. The Korean system SGR-A1, developed by Samsung, works similarly.

(First picture is the Sentry Tech, second is the SGR-A1 system)

Of course, the military wants mobile robot fighters, whether in the form of autonomous drones, tanks or even humanoid machines. How can we prevent that the machines commit war crimes or human damage in other ways? Whereas henceforth the ethics involved in the programming of sheet metal comrades - a demand which was recently followed even by the Pentagon. They will have to "teach" the robots such thing as morality, so they learn to distinguish ethically correct of wrong doing.

The three robotic laws
While machines do not possess typically human emotions such as stress, sadness, anger or revenge develop (for that they would learn about compassion). But how safe is that this is achieved? Could not a sufficiently complex robot brain develop some independent emotions, as in the movie "2001-A Space Odyssey" by the art brain "HAL"?

First, of course, it´s a matter of programming. Just war robots would do without emotions that tarnish their judgment because they did not have to protect themselves. However, they must have a moral guide. This is already recognized the science-fiction author Isaac Asimov, who,formulated his famous robot laws in 1942 :

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

The original laws have been altered and elaborated on by Asimov and other authors. Asimov himself made slight modifications to the first three in various books and short stories to further develop how robots would interact with humans and each other. In later fiction where robots had taken responsibility for government of whole planets and human civilizations, Asimov also added a fourth, or zeroth law, to precede the others:

  1. A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

The Three Laws, and the zeroth, have pervaded science fiction and are referred to in many books, films, and other media.
Although experts do not expect that machines run independently wars or kill indiscriminately. But they will be in positions where they have to make decisions. This should be covered in an ethical manner. Moreover, robots must learn to deal with each other. Sun Canadian researchers found a solution to a seemingly trivial problem: If two robots meet at a door to each other, which then goes through it first? Also damages cases it is regulated. Who occurs when a robot gives up the ghost, and therefore uncontrolled electronic demolished the facility, electric shock or even handing out exploding?

The robots are coming, no question. They've been around as automatic vacuum cleaner in Japan recently a vending company Aisei cook at a restaurant in Nagoya with paddles noodle soup. See my latest thread which spawned my interest in this field. "Restaurants Fire Chefs as Robots Take Over Kitchen

Another, last example from Japan:

It is "the Actroid". The female android was built at the International Robot Exhibition 2003 in Tokyo to serve as a "receptionist" and information machine. 2005 at the Expo in Aichi, the robot was able to answer questions in four languages ​​already. Inevitable but asked the mostly male visitors, whether the model with the soft silicone skin was built "anatomically correct" and wanted sex with them.

Robot will change in the future the love life of the people in some ways. They are always ready to serve, not nag and are hygienic. Especially for a lot of men would be a dream come true, which is denied to them in human partners: After coitus is over, the artificial love maid cleans up the room and makes coffee for you.

Thank you for your time, now let´s discuss
edit on 17-9-2012 by StareDad because: Added "Restaurants Fire Chefs as Robots Take Over Kitchen" reference
edit on 17-9-2012 by StareDad because: Fixed typing error in edit "refference" -> reference



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Cherry 2000 was a 1987 movie about the future of companion robots. Not a great movie, but an interesting plot where the female androids can apparently do everything a real woman can do, but better, except perhaps for babymaking.

Spoiler alert, and not too surprisingly the guy in love with his robot finally decides he prefers a real woman after all. But that movie did make me think about where robots were headed.

"I, Robot" was another thought provoker where despite the three rules, the robots got some funny ideas about how to make the world better for man. I don't think such a scenario is impossible but it's probably at least 50 years away if not 100.

I think our machines are evolving faster than we are, and will one day surpass us (they have already in some respects) and may one day rule us or otherwise harm us if we aren't careful. Some future AI programs may have some unintended consequences.

So, bring them on, they are coming, but let's be careful, OK? I don't want to see our androids take over like they did in I, Robot. Great job on your first major thread by the way!



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Thank you for your input and the kind words

I´m with your opinion, let´s do it slow. The time will come anyways. The important thing is Asimov, I think.
Well than we have the military...



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by StareDad
The important thing is Asimov, I think.
Well than we have the military...
Yes, the military is obviously going to violate this law, right?

"A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm."

A soldier that follows that isn't much good to the military, are they?

Also, robot soldiers that fall into enemy hands will probably be re-programmed to be used against the people that created them. Then we'll have robots fighting robots...that will be interesting.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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When that happens and they figure out they fight a war for another "life form", what would happen?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Skynet
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posted on Sep, 18 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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That would rely on the ability to communicate on the same protocol.



posted on Sep, 18 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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But can you have sex with them?



posted on Sep, 18 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Yes..there are androids for sex aviable, from two or three manufacturer but I left it out (with reason). I find it perverted.
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posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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The androids of the future will have light weight nano materials that will make up the skeleton, and the rest will be actual flesh and blood so they will look and feel just like an actual human being, and yes even real sex organs.

This will make morals and ethics .......and likeness of Hollywood stars licensing quite interesting.

Personally a mila kunis model would sure be nice....lol



posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by dominicus
The androids of the future will have light weight nano materials that will make up the skeleton, and the rest will be actual flesh and blood so they will look and feel just like an actual human being, and yes even real sex organs.

This will make morals and ethics .......and likeness of Hollywood stars licensing quite interesting.

Personally a mila kunis model would sure be nice....lol


OH wow imagine doing horror movies with those kind of robots. Actually bleeding robots that can be programmed to act just liek a real human so the screaming and pain will look real. Ballistics testing would also be a field to use them in too. Or dangerous work such as deep sea work or mine disposal. The possibilities are endless and horrific.



posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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I want a Summer Glau Terminator robot, or even better, a Adriana Lima supermodel terminator robot (sex edition!) ;-p



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posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Amazing the time I was born to be able to see this "phenomenon" develop right in front of my eyes....



...if I ever find myself talking with one of these "sentient" beings, I shall show them this video



posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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I was actually pleasantly surprised by the progress. Last time I saw a humanoid robot face it was still suffering from the "uncanny valley" syndrome, and that was like a year ago maybe.

The Einstein face looked really convincing.



posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Ballistics testing would also be a field to use them in too.


Are the robots made of human like tissue? I don't think so.

The fact that they can mimic human expression has nothing to do with their ability to mimic human tissue.

They are not built like us you know.

edit, my bad the poster was talking about real flesh and blood, but still not likely.
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posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by DermotMcDerp
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Ballistics testing would also be a field to use them in too.


Are the robots made of human like tissue? I don't think so.

The fact that they can mimic human expression has nothing to do with their ability to mimic human tissue.

They are not built like us you know.


Scientists are already building human flesh, organs, veins, and blood/plasma in the lab and also starting to build this on mechanical hands with ligaments and what not. Its a matter of time before they do real skin and blood androids. Its coming no matter what.... we are evolving towards that

edit, my bad the poster was talking about real flesh and blood, but still not likely.
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posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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I don't doubt that. The point I was making was that it seems a bit redundant to use a cyborg for ballistic tests, as the other poster suggested.

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posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Oh ok, i misinterpreted. My fault. Yea for ballistic testing they can just use pig carcasses



posted on Sep, 22 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Jeah, or ballistics gel.





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