Iranian group raises price on Satanic Verse's Author Rushdie's head

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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 03:41 AM
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The Satanic Verses, first published in 1988 resulted in Rushdie being accused of blasphemy and the supreme religious ruler of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, issuing a fatwā ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie.

Rushdie remains in hiding under 24 hour guard.


An Iranian religious body has increased the reward offered for killing the British author Salman Rushdie from $2.8m to $3.3m, according to local newspapers.

The Independent


The Satanic verses refers to Allah via Muhammad having apparently sanctioned the worship of three pre-Islamic Meccan goddesses but subsequently deciding that these verses were not sent by Allah but rather by a devil.

The Satanic Verses do not appear in the Koran however they do appear in the first biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, and also appear in other biographies of the prophet's life.

Some theorize that Muhammad allowed the worship of the Meccan goddesses as a political move to gain support from the Meccans.

Nonetheless, not only do the verses contradict that Allah is the one and only god, they also suggest that if some of the messages that Muhammad thought were from Allah were actually from the devil, how many more verses in the Koran could be the work of the devil rather than Allah?

Hence the reason why Muslims around the world basically went ballistic at the time in 1988 with world-wide riots when the Book by Rushdie, the Satanic Verses was published.

People who blame current Islamic radicalism on US foreign policy (Iraq and Iran) could pause to ponder the fact that Muslims were happily issuing a fatwa to assassinate a British writer who had 'insulted' their religion and were rioting world-wide 23 years ago.


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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:39 AM
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Typical religious behaviour. Picking and choosing what bits to put in their holy books, which suits their agenda, and the rest is forbidden. Then they execute anyone who dares expose their lies for what they are. Christianity is guilty of this too, only the worst of it ended hundreds of years ago.

Its situations like this, and the current rioting, that should serve as a reminder as to how dangerous religion is, and should be a wake up call for those enslaved within its bloodied walls.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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I completely concur with the above. Christianity had the same issues in Galileo's time, only difference is we are 400+ years on from that. does that mean we have to wait 400+ years for them to catch up.

Never got around to reading the book from Rushdie, although heard from a religious type acquaintance there was more than a grain of truth in the book, maybe as plenty of women are reading '50 shades' on the train i'll grab myself a copy and have a read on the way to/from work on the train, should be interesting.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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People who blame current Islamic radicalism on US foreign policy (Iraq and Iran) could pause to ponder the fact that Muslims were happily issuing a fatwa to assassinate a British writer who had 'insulted' their religion and were rioting world-wide 23 years ago.


One of the most sensible comments I have had the pleasure of reading on ATS although I fear it will fall on deaf ears..

Reading ATS lately I have begun to wonder if the Nation of Islam hates Americans as much as ATS Members do

Sad really

Semper



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
The Satanic verses refers to Allah via Muhammad having apparently sanctioned the worship of three pre-Islamic Meccan goddesses but subsequently deciding that these verses were not sent by Allah but rather by a devil.

Yep. It's all there. Part of the history of Islam. They want to deny it. They want to ignore it. They want to kill anyone who even dares to tell THE TRUTH .. that the Satanic Verses are really there. Rushdie is a brave fella. A hero of sorts. He should be commended for bringing attention to the Satanic Verses.


not only do the verses contradict that Allah is the one and only god, they also suggest that if some of the messages that Muhammad thought were from Allah were actually from the devil, how many more verses in the Koran could be the work of the devil rather than Allah?

EXACTLY. The FACT that these Satanic Verses are there is more proof that Muhammad was just a murdering political opportunist who made up a religion to control people. We see it happening with others even to this very day. People wanting political power. People using religion as a way to control others. Political and religious leaders using murder and theft to gain power. Muhammad was no different.

** 'They' ... Islamic leadership, Imams and devout radical fundamentalist followers.



If the Islamic nations were to look the Satanic Verses straight on .. their cult worship of Muhammad would be dead. And since the whole religion is Muhammad centered .. Islam would be dead. But they close their eyes and threaten to kill people who expose this truth .... how 'not-peaceful' ....



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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This is the first time I hear an explanation of what the satanic verses were. All this time I thought he was referring to the Koran as a whole. So he questions and exposes some kind of case for consideration and they order him killed. Yep, sounds like the dark ages all over again wherein regard for life was unimportant and religious leaders ordered their followers to commit crimes against each other in the name of religion. And now government leaders do it too in the name of security. Man, how far have we failed to advance really?


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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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I see the OP as buying into the over-hyped "muslim threat" pushed by Western media outlets.

I see all this rioting and in my opinion, it is the work of the CIA.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
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People who blame current Islamic radicalism on US foreign policy (Iraq and Iran) could pause to ponder the fact that Muslims were happily issuing a fatwa to assassinate a British writer who had 'insulted' their religion and were rioting world-wide 23 years ago.


One of the most sensible comments I have had the pleasure of reading on ATS although I fear it will fall on deaf ears..

Reading ATS lately I have begun to wonder if the Nation of Islam hates Americans as much as ATS Members do

Sad really

Semper


If ignoring what the US has done around the world for decades and placing the blame on religion makes you comfortable, go for it. It won't make the world more peaceful.


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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
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People who blame current Islamic radicalism on US foreign policy (Iraq and Iran) could pause to ponder the fact that Muslims were happily issuing a fatwa to assassinate a British writer who had 'insulted' their religion and were rioting world-wide 23 years ago.


One of the most sensible comments I have had the pleasure of reading on ATS although I fear it will fall on deaf ears..

Reading ATS lately I have begun to wonder if the Nation of Islam hates Americans as much as ATS Members do

Sad really

Semper


If ignoring what the US has done around the world for decades and placing the blame on religion makes you comfortable, go for it. It won't make the world more peaceful.


You mean placing the blame where it belongs? What were the excuses before the US mainland was even the twinkling in the eye of Spain?

Im always amazed at the people who refuse to look at the history of this, NOTHING has changed in this religion in over a thousand years, just updated methods and more efficient means of carrying out the same ideologically motivated violence....

You can blame US policy, you can blame the Crusades......the difference is, other religions have moved out of the dark ages, and before that, US policy wasnt an issue because we didnt exist...

I find it entertaining and yet disturbing that people will continually make up feeble excuses to try and pass this off as anything other then what it is....

Sure the US isnt innocent, of course we arent.....but the point is that these extremist dont NEED American policy to do this, theyve proven it time and again for over a thousand years.....

On a side note, it doesnt matter how much you claim to be on their side, or how much you help them....you will be killed just as quickly as anyone else who does not subscribe to their particular brand of extremism..

Hell the man they killed in Libya was one of the biggest proponents for muslims and their freedoms....and he was not spared......

WAKE UP!
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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It there wasn't oil in the mid east, the US would not be there or care about who does what in the region. Religion may help create sparks that ignite the blaze but it isn't the sole factor or the only fuel.

It looks like some else needs to WAKE UP.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by roadgravel
It there wasn't oil in the mid east, the US would not be there or care about who does what in the region. Religion may help create sparks that ignite the blaze but it isn't the sole factor or the only fuel.

It looks like some else needs to WAKE UP.
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I cant tell if youre serious or not to be honest.......

I see you have totally circumvented my whole post, and failed to address anything in its content that pertains to the fact that this is nothing NEW from the hardline Muslim ideology or historical history of violence....

nice job, I see your posting is more just bashing America then dealing with the facts.......

Care to explain then why they act out on OTHER countries then who have nothing to do with the US?
Philippines? Thailand? UK? how bout in Russia? How bout Bosnia? I guess US and its hunger for Oil accounts for all the regular violence that happens there with these extremist huh?


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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Care to explain then why they act out on OTHER countries then who have nothing to do with the US? Philippines? Thailand? UK? how bout in Russia? How bout Bosnia? I guess US and its hunger for Oil accounts for all the regular violence that happens there with these extremist huh?


What do you mean these countries have nothing to do with the US? Of course they do.

America is the most violent nation in the world btw.

The rest of us western nations dont have millions of redneck christians. We have moved on unlike America where they talk about abortion for 30 years and still have Capital Punishment. And they loves their guns.

And when the Founding Fathers decided to become terrorists do you think it was about Tea? Of course not.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Its all a load of crap. Sky wizards, prophets, mandatory book reading for your religion. They all have some similarities between them. Thats just a fact. They just pick and choose what they want to put in their "holy book" as what best suits their needs. And then they all fight over whos imaginary friend is better and start wars over it. Its ridiculous.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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The FACT that these Satanic Verses are there is more proof that Muhammad was just a murdering political opportunist who made up a religion to control people.


Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner

youtu.be...



www.politicalislam.com...

We are in big trouble folks.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by freemarketsocialist
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Care to explain then why they act out on OTHER countries then who have nothing to do with the US? Philippines? Thailand? UK? how bout in Russia? How bout Bosnia? I guess US and its hunger for Oil accounts for all the regular violence that happens there with these extremist huh?


What do you mean these countries have nothing to do with the US? Of course they do.

America is the most violent nation in the world btw.

The rest of us western nations dont have millions of redneck christians. We have moved on unlike America where they talk about abortion for 30 years and still have Capital Punishment. And they loves their guns.

And when the Founding Fathers decided to become terrorists do you think it was about Tea? Of course not.
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Again you totally circumvented EVERYTHING in my post........and again we go back to "America is the devil this is why the Muslim extremist do what they do"

Yet you conveniently omit how any of those countries have anything to do with America and why the extrmist muslims there are blowing up and killing people in every one of those countries.......

I would LOVE to see how you would connect the killings in the Philippines, Bosnia and Thailand to muslim extremist hating Americans.....




The rest of us western nations dont have millions of redneck christians. We have moved on unlike America where they talk about abortion for 30 years and still have Capital Punishment. And they loves their guns.


You can call them whatever you want, and be as ugly as you want, for whatever downfalls they have, I dont see them blowing up people all over the world, and dragging out people here from their embassies and murdering them in mass in the streets.......

So keep fumbling with name calling and insults, to try and justify an already weak position.....
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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I am a follower of our Messiah, and I believed that our common Creator, known by many names across time and space, had ordained Muhammad to be the prophet to lead the wild tribes out of barbarism into civilisation and progress in the 7th Century, and that the angel Gabrial, had dictated to prophet Muhammad the Koran, to guide and unite the barbaric tribes to progress and evolution.

Like our Messiah, prophet Muhammad left no heir, and was intentional, for they had all the time to apppoint if so. Mankind had been gifted with free will, for no man was created to be a robot. It was from the congregation - the gathering of men, that decides the path using guided sacred proposals to progress upon free will, to leave none behind, and NOT upon the dictates of a man or a few men whom holds no accountability to mankind.

All men are flawed, and it is only through openly sharing, discussing and debating, that we can all evolve. And such communication must be open to all - from the elected to the village idiot, with patience, so that none be left behind.

The Persian apostate Mullahs are only mortals, and accountable to no human. I hold them to apostasy of the highest degree, and charge them:-

1. For placing the mythical 'Mahdi' above the prophet Muhammad and the worship of that mythical figure, and setting slaughters in motion throughout centuries to facillitate his mythical return.

2. inciting hatred against americans in 1979 when the Mullah supported siege through paid insurgents of mecca failed, in the attempt to plant the false Mahdi to rule over all muslims, which cause hatred to an innocent american people till today with the escalation of innocent dead throughout

3. For funding Hizbollahs and terrorist organisations sent around the world to destabilize our progress and evolving world, making use of weak minded salufists and Hamas to sacrifice their lives and innocent lives that they had slaughtered for decades since the 70s to today.

4. For silencing those who merely question the authority of the mullahs - unelected and unaccountable mortals, or/and debating the issues of the Koran or Hadiths for better comprehensions.

5. And most all, for misleading muslims into believing in the comming of the Mahdi in this generation, when prophet had expressedly taught that he was the last messenger sent, that there is no other, and that the Mahdi was but only a wise man, but one that all men will know from their heart by free will, and not be force or slaughters of millions, and that NO mortals know the end day.


I am only a mortal, but if the mullah, only a mortal and an unaccountable to any human, can so easily issue fatwas, so can the insignificant nobody me, in the name of our common Creator and His designated prophet for Arabia - Muhammad.

By decree of my fatwa that determines the persian mullahs and Khameini as apostate, any true muslim is fully free to kill them with no penalty, and is a right of any true muslim.


But I will not do so, for I am not a messenger of our common Creator. Prophet Muhammad was the last, thus I am not divinely empowered to make divine judgements that only Allah can make.

Nor am I an elected member of a nation, empower to discuss, debate and discuss issues to formulate society rules so that all may co-exist in peace with sanctity of mortal lives as the prime directive. Only the elected govt has that power, given by the People in an honest election.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Isn't interesting the Muslim response to known historical facts? You don't see Christians calling for full out murder and assassination when you bring up the crusades.

As for the Christian view on Muhammad's visit from Angels is in

Galatians 1:8


But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!


Which follows what Rushdie book expounds...



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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The FACT that these Satanic Verses are there is more proof that Muhammad was just a murdering political opportunist who made up a religion to control people.




www.politicalislam.com...

We are in big trouble folks.


Starred for the very interesting video.

I'll need to do some digging into the battles he describes, as I have no previous understanding of them.

So thanks for opening the door for quite the rabbit hole.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
Galatians 1:8


But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!


Which follows what Rushdie book expounds...


To comprehend better the 'Book of Galatians', WHO was Paul actually? Was he one of the original disciples of our Messiah? No he was not. Many can interpretate as they will. Was Muhammad a disciple of our Messiah? No he was not.

When mortals make divine claims, it is not their words or individual lines that we hold dear, but the common Central Tenets of mainstream religion, that forms the basis as a civilisational guide to ethical and moral progress and evolution of civlisations.

I do not seek to change anyone's beliefs. Religion is personal. However, trust in our Creator's and divine Teachers words, espacially those from different regions of Earth for our common Creator is known by many names across time and space, than the interpretations or mis-interpretations of mortal man, past and present.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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Im always amazed at the people who refuse to look at the history of this, NOTHING has changed in this religion in over a thousand years, just updated methods and more efficient means of carrying out the same ideologically motivated violence....

You can blame US policy, you can blame the Crusades......the difference is, other religions have moved out of the dark ages, and before that, US policy wasnt an issue because we didnt exist...

I find it entertaining and yet disturbing that people will continually make up feeble excuses to try and pass this off as anything other then what it is....

Sure the US isnt innocent, of course we arent.....but the point is that these extremist dont NEED American policy to do this, theyve proven it time and again for over a thousand years.....


Yep. On the other hand, you mentioned the "thousand year" benchmark a couple of times. Here's a quick look back at the capital city of the Islamic world a thousand years ago.
www.spainthenandnow.com...

Christians, Jews and Muslims living and working together. In fact, most of the knowledge retained from Greece and Rome was preserved by the Arabs.

But that was a thousand years ago, so what's my point? Just that tolerance isn't automatically inimical to Islam, any more than it is to Christianity. Holy men who preach righteous wrath are dangerous. And harder to shake off than a wet booger.





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