posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 05:42 PM
Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by Drezden
Let me explain how I see things unfolding here on ATS lately.
Dude 1 : “Iran is the agressor “
Dude 2 : "lol....I ran hasn't started a war in like 34700 years “
Dude 1 : “but they use proxies like Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc' “
Dude 2 : “ MAN, the U.S is guilty...oh, and the Crusaders”
See what I mean? It's getting really old and boring after awhile.
The fact that Iran hasn't started a war in a long time isn't completely relevant if they are supporting 3rd party extremist groups. However, there
should be a distinction between supporting relatively small terrorist groups and carpet bombing multiple nations and sending soldiers into a country.
There is a cause and effect that is being over looked though. There is a reason for Iran's mistrust of the U.S. and western countries in general, they
didn't just decide one day that we were "the great satan" because we were minding our own business.
I haven't seen people bring up the crusades in their arguments on ATS personally, but of course it would be silly to bring up history that is that old
to use in any sort of argument.
The U.S. IS guilty though, not the citizens, but the government. Almost all governments around the world have varying levels of corruption and
unjustified violent actions in their modern history, including Iran. Someone who doesn't think the U.S. government is guilty isn't paying attention,
but just because someone thinks the U.S. is guilty doesn't mean they think every other country is better.. super-patriots need to realize this.
Patriotism can bring too many blinding emotions into an argument that requires calm logic. You can love your country and still speak about its many
faults. Most of us who do see the crimes and corruption of the U.S. speak about them because we care about our country and want to change it for the
better, and not be dragged into unnecessary wars where more Americans will die for something other than protecting our land.
Has anyone here even spoken to someone who lives in Iran? I have correspondence with several people who live there. Politics annoy them (like many
Americans), they don't trust their government (like many Americans), they are victims of propaganda ( like many Americans). They just want to live
their lives and watch youtube videos. They like american technology, movies, music.. they stand in line to get their iphones..etc.. all the things
Americans do. The majority of them do not hate American citizens, contrary to what U.S. media would have you believe. My point is we shouldn't be so
quick to want a military confrontation with them like many people on ATS seem to want, they are reasonable people held captive by an unreasonable
government.. a lot like the U.S. Why won't our government have a respectful dialogue with Iran?
I realize the latter part of my post was a bit off topic, so no need to point it out.
edit on 9/23/2012 by Drezden because: (no reason