reply to post by Zaphod58
At least Zaphod knows what he is talking about, and not claiming the superiority of some one off like the Su-47 demonstrator. The biggest weakness of
the F-22 is that there were only 187 built, and how many left after crashes(that damn oxygen problem...) The worst mistake those idiots in Congress
made is diverting funding from the AF and Navy to the Army. I am not aware of any rumors of a follow on model to the 22, though I am sure MLUs are
planned, and perhaps we will see them crank out 300 more in the near future. I can only hope and pray.
Meanwhile, I am very nervous about the 35, which handles like a pig. There has been talk of Dog Fighting being dead and gone since the early 60s, but
it will never happen. I am very worried about our future capabilities, unless that B-1 Missile truck idea was more than a Popular Science/Mechanics
I still do not see the PLAAF as much of a threat in the near future. The J-10 is a nice first real indigenous effort, though not completely of their
own making(Hey, thanks again Israel, you guys are the best friends a guy could ask for!).
But my main issue with the last page of discussion is that there will still be knife fights, this talk of long range has been going on for decades,
and when the real missiles start flying you get a visual or hear a FOX 2 call before all is said and done. I KNOW its only a simulator, but I play a
lot of Falcon 4, and when you launch a 120 at a plane with inferior avionics, if he survives you will eventually find him skimming treetops and flying
through mountain passes, and your only option will be to launch a Sidewinder or close in with the 20mm. One of my favorite memories was during such a
situation, I was at 2,000 feet listening to my wingman call out his position, I couldnt find anyone on my radar and was playing with the modes flying
level when suddenly I see a Mig-21 fly out in front of me, followed by my wingman in a tight turn bleeding off speed, caught in a Rolling Scissors. I
radioed my wingman to break it off, and he was quick enough that I was able to get the MIG in the boresight and nail him with the AIM-9. Yes, it was
just a game, but it is impossible to knock out everything in the sky from 80 miles away.
Questions about the F-35:
Zaphod, I know the thrust/weight of the 35 is roughly 1.0 thanks to one hell of an engine, but being the only 5th gen to lack thrust vectoring, how
would it hold up in a dogfight? I am sure a Rafale or Typhoon would have no trouble taking it out WVR, In fact, though I admit my knowledge on the
subject is very limited, I would hazard a guess that a Block-30 and up F-16 would even have a maneuvering advantage. How far off am I?
23-9-2012 by steppenwolf86 because: clarification