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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Wow you were doing pretty good until you got to the frequency of HAARP.
Originally posted by happykat39
3 - Wrong again, there is no relationship between the 60 cycles per second (50 CPS in Europe and some other places) frequency of AC power systems and HAARP. HAARP operates at about 6.5 to 7.5 CPS (the natural frequency of the earth) and is transmitted by a phased array antenna system instead of transmission lines.
Did you get that frequency from the official site (and if so link please) or some third party site (link to that also) and if third party site what makes you believe it?
Like with any antenna, the power from HAARP is strongest closest to the source. So anyone who claims it's strongest in California as that map shows is making stuff up. That site is complete nonsense, but I appreciate your asking questions about it instead of telling us we are all doomed like some people try to do.
Originally posted by onehuman
I dont know if anyone else has noticed this but it appears that HAARP is very focused on Southern California right now. Just a heads up I guess, Im not very smartly when it comes to HAARP, but this doesnt seem like its a very good thing.
So HAARP uses modulated HF heating of the ionosphere/and or magnetospheric particles, god knows whats in there) to produce strong ELF radiation, and that, it can be sustained in the magnetosphere, and ducted around it.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by smurfy
So HAARP uses modulated HF heating of the ionosphere/and or magnetospheric particles, god knows whats in there) to produce strong ELF radiation, and that, it can be sustained in the magnetosphere, and ducted around it.
HAARP can induce a low powered ELF/VLF signal by affecting the electrojet currents over the installation when ionospheric conditions are favorable. It's quite well known what is in there...ions. ELF/VLF radiation of much greater strength is produced by natural phenomena such as lighting. In general, the ELF/VLF frequencies induced by HAARP are in the kilohertz range.
Natural ELF/VLF can be used to study the ionosphere and magnetosphere but since HAARP can produce it "on demand" there are advantages.edit on 9/17/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Well no, I wasn't sure what you were talking about. You did say "ionosphere and/or magnetosphere". But the magnetosphere also contains ions, though at significantly higher energy levels than the ionosphere.
You know I was talking about the magnetosphere in the "god knows reference", not the ionosphere and even NASA has a string of keywords for the magnetospheric table of contents.
Last paragraph, why would the military want to do that? it is not just studying it is manipulating for an end user. Okay , fair does but let's be honest. HAARP today has also more power than 1996.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by smurfy
Well no, I wasn't sure what you were talking about. You did say "ionosphere and/or magnetosphere". But the magnetosphere also contains ions, though at significantly higher energy levels than the ionosphere.
You know I was talking about the magnetosphere in the "god knows reference", not the ionosphere and even NASA has a string of keywords for the magnetospheric table of contents.
Last paragraph, why would the military want to do that? it is not just studying it is manipulating for an end user. Okay , fair does but let's be honest. HAARP today has also more power than 1996.
What end user? And what exactly do you think they are talking about? HIPAS closed down a few years ago though ago and it sounds like you are quoting quite dated information. There is much more recent and advanced research data available.
edit on 9/17/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
and in it they are describing a method of manipulating the weather, something already banned for US military purposes years before that document.
www.ursi.org...
Smaller scale fluctuations are the result of ionospheric interaction. The results imply it may be possible to induce specific size density structures in space plasmas by varying the frequency and power of transmission.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by smurfy
and in it they are describing a method of manipulating the weather, something already banned for US military purposes years before that document.
No.
They are describing a possible method of affecting the density of plasma in space.
www.ursi.org...
Smaller scale fluctuations are the result of ionospheric interaction. The results imply it may be possible to induce specific size density structures in space plasmas by varying the frequency and power of transmission.
It has nothing to do with manipulating weather and you will find more recent research about it quite available.edit on 9/17/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
And you think that minute temporary changes in plasma density could affect life on Earth? Changes which are totally insignificant when compared to those caused naturally by the Sun? I guess you would consider rocket launches in the same boat then. I guess all that activity is actually illegal.
I should have said any kind of weather, in that I include the ionosphere, Magnetosphere, spaceweather, or anything that is pertinent that could effect life on earth, and that was being monkeyed about with even before HAARP.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by happykat39
Thanks for the retraction, though you still didn't say what the frequency is, but anyone who wants to find it can look it up on the official site, but it's much, much higher than either of those figures so you were right it's nowhere 60 cycles per second.
Regarding the steering, the phased array means there's a slight timing delay from the various antennae so the peak amplitudes add up at certain focal points. However, the antennae are still more or less omnidirectional which means the signals still lose intensity the further they are from the source. The energy is still strongest near the source and fades away in whatever direction it's aimed, so this doesn't enable HAARP to concentrate the energy in Southern California as shown on the map, though it can concentrate the energy somewhat at certain focal points near the HAARP facility. The following diagram illustrates the phased array concept showing it's basically a series of timing delays:
www.bercli.net...
edit on 17-9-2012 by Arbitrageur because: clarification
When the devastating 9.0 earthquake hit Japan earlier this year, scientists discovered shortly thereafter that the disturbance reached all the way up into the ionosphere, one of the highest levels of Earth's atmosphere. Now data analyzed by geodesist and geophysicist Kosuke Heki at Hokkaido University shows that the quake may have also generated ripples in the ionosphere before it actually hit on the ground.
Heki analyzed data from more than 1,000 GPS receivers in Japan, and discovered that disruptions of the electrically charged particles in the ionosphere caused measurable anomalies in radio signals between satellites and ground receivers. An 8% rise in the total electron content of the ionosphere above the epicenter occurred about 40 minutes before the earthquake actually hit. The effect was greatest near the epicenter, and lessened farther out.
that's why this website giving HAARP status is invaluable
If the source is Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory program, he might have said anything, but he was hardly acknowledging the official information which claims the radiated power output is about 3600 kilowatts (nowhere near a billion watts):
Originally posted by happykat39
I think I remember from one of Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory programs that they put out somewhere near a billion watts.
The HAARP antenna array consists of 180 antennas on a total land area of about 35 acres. The array, along with its integrated transmitters, has a total radiated power capability of about 3,600 kilowatts.
Originally posted by 369821
Step away from the internet, exit the basement and get some sun light. A lot of people on this site believe that HAARP is some super powerful machine capable of incredible things. But, yet, there is 0 proof of that belief.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
If the source is Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory program, he might have said anything, but he was hardly acknowledging the official information which claims the radiated power output is about 3600 kilowatts (nowhere near a billion watts):
Originally posted by happykat39
I think I remember from one of Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory programs that they put out somewhere near a billion watts.
www.haarp.alaska.edu...
The HAARP antenna array consists of 180 antennas on a total land area of about 35 acres. The array, along with its integrated transmitters, has a total radiated power capability of about 3,600 kilowatts.
Whatever number he makes up, I'll bet I can make up a bigger number!