'Their' existence is seen everywhere, yet many still refuse to believe it...

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YOU are so wrong. rome never ended.

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I'm also from Norn Iron, also realised whilst very young that most people there were being manipulated by some bigger force with the agenda of divide and rule.
Get this.

The orange order (protestant) are a masonic organisation, I think most people agree>

The Orange Institution (more commonly known as the Orange Order, the Orange Lodge or the Orangemen) is a Protestant fraternal organisation based in Northern Ireland.

Some evangelical groups have claimed that the Orange Order is still influenced by freemasonry.[43] Many Masonic traditions survive, such as the organisation of the Order into lodges. The Order has a system of degrees through which new members advance. These degrees are interactive plays with references to the Bible. There is particular concern over the ritualism of higher degrees such as the Royal Arch Purple and the Royal Black Institutions.[44]

The ancient order of Hibernians (Catholic) are a masonic organisation, I think most people agree

The Ancient Order of Hibernians (AOH) is an Irish Catholic fraternal organization. Members must be Catholic and either Irish born or of Irish descent.

And the Hibernians were created to "Oppose" The Iish Republican Brotherhood (Masons again) who went on to become the IRA

So the while people of N.I fight with each other, just a little higher on the ladder the opposing community "leaders"
are performing their little ceremonies and dining and plotting together. Surely the Masonic life comes before everything.
When I point out these GLARINGLY obvious facts to friends and family they just say i'm a paranoid nut.
Surely if a "Peaceful" organisation like the Freemasons has Members on both sides of an arguement the dispute could be discussed and settled in an intelligent way.
Has this happened? No, not even with a couple of hundred years to work on the problem.

Ohh man, I wonder how far this hidden hand can reach?

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love it!!

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Perspectives are gained through a variety of means.

If a person finally sees something for what it is via a good joke or poem or... work of "fact"ion... so be it.

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very conspicuous topic...
they" are indeed everywhere, and 'we' are the base of their" system (literally and figuratively)
this is skillfully portrayed on the dollar; the ubiquitious denominator of the controllers craft!

the All Seeing Eye is them" - the base is us
It is above and removed from the system; and yet its presence is everywhere the system operates!!


it is plain to see, for you and me, the dollars greed, makes men unfree, and to change this we, must the change BE~


LOVE

may all souls be free

Originally posted by BeyondMirrors
Ohh man, I wonder how far this hidden hand can reach?

All the way up your you-know-what, that's for sure. That's why so many of us are left with a bad taste in our mouths.

I have often wondered why the "All Seeing Eye" is covered up in masonic halls when not in use?
I have hosted may community adult learning classes and the masonic halls around where i live are by far the cheapest to rent out,yet at the top of every hall a curtain covers this emblem when not being used by masons?
I of course have taken a peek and all of them seem to have a hollow at the centre of the eye that clearly has its purpose as a holding for some sort of pupil,maybe crystal or stone or wood,does anyone know what thats all about?
I stay in Scotland by the way

I now seriously doubt the NWO/illuminati exist... I used to be taken in by a lot of these things I read on the internet, taking an opinion as fact.

In all honestly it was me trying to externalise my problems and distance my self rather than taking personal responsibility for what I seen as wrong. Like it was easier for me to blame someone else and someone off in some far away land than actually stand up and take action or offer people an alternitive. I guess you could say it's a defeatist attitude that "it's out of my hands" or "well above me" so what's the point in trying. Like I was using it as a reason for not trying or someone to blame for my failures.

In reality the NWO and/or the Illuminati can not be proven, its not based on facts. It's very open to interpretation. Granted they are people around the world who would like to "take control" but to think or assume they are all part of the same "organisation" is just childish really. There are obviously many waring factions, internal and external power struggles. People always take about America/UK and Israel but what about families and groups from Russia and China, are they just taking this lieing down or do you view whole nations and continents as sheeple.

Ow we are so intelligant, we've watched a few youtube video's and read a few conspiracy sites and we've got it all figured out and everyone else just isn't "awake" or are "sheeple". It's as if they are almost saying "I'm intelligant" or "more clever than you" when in reality any old muppet can read or watch youtube, it's not like your real investigative types (critical thinking) you just watch a few different things and connect a few dots that may or may not be valid.

They are real people trying to fook us over but they get off Scott free because people fear standing up to them and holding them accountable for their actions. They think they are dealing with the front man of a international organisation when in reality they are just men (human) like me or you. Just because you can't understand their actions or intensions you try and externalise it again, it's "not human" there must be someone from another planet pulling the strings.

I could go on all day but I'm at work. At the end of the day they are 7 billion people on the planet and we out number them millions to one, the only power they hold are what we let them have, it's an illusion of power. It's just becase we the people don't feel empowered enough to take charge of our sitution and future, we let them. These people are often elected officals, as in we have elected them to office, not to power. They might use words like power rather than "hold office" but that's just word play.

A whole lot of people don't like to admit they like being told what to do and relying on others to support them. Take control of your own lives, live by example, put your kneck on the line and do something worth while. It's easy to point the fingers, anyone can do that but what are you doing about it really?

Don't think your all clever because you can point out all the wrongs with the world, the really clever people are creations solutions to the problems. Honestly, I meet loads of people who think they are "awake" because they can see the real problems but in reality most people can see them they are just mature enough to realise that if they personally arn't going to do nothing about it then they shouldn't be telling others to "change" or "wake up" or "rise up" if they arn't already doing it them selves. It's just a cop out to say your waiting for others, your just scared to do anything if your honest with your self. Even a complete simpleton can run around shouting "inside job, inside job" and "TPTB are to blame" while all the time proving no proof, just "here's proof, watch this youtube video"... well no, that isn't proof, that's opinion, no where can I fact check these allagations, I just have to believe you.

Anyway, if anyone's interested I'll go further into detail but in reality most people on these sites overlook these posts as they like to cherry pick what fits their little fantasies.

It's getting to the point where those that say they are "awake" are almost the one's who are REALLY asleep because they are "so far down the rabbit hole" (or so they think) that they arn't willing to accept anything that can shatter that reality that the bogey man doesn't really exist and you just need to get off your bum and sort your own life out as well as your communities.

Then agian I guess it's always easier to blame someone else and play arm chair warrior, all on your high horse but at the same time if you really take a look at your self your actually part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

If all these conspiracy theories are what they say they are then id be amazed on how far they would go if a world war 3 was to break out more amazed if they were to establish a new order after the war to try and rebuild a new fixed government linked towards them more then ever.

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so far as to make living conditions so bad that the general population would not only welcome but even beg for the implementation of such an idea.

want to implement an agenda so introduce a problem to generate a reaction in order to introduce the aforementioned.

the war on drugs and the war on terror are a good example
both carry ulterior motives and an hidden agenda

the presented solutions never address or fix the root cause of the problem but instead further propagate the introduction of additional control measures over society.

Great thread OP! S&F from me.

I´m of the very strong belief that there are people in this world who have a very big hand in everything happening around and shaping societies as a whole. I´m not sure about the exact motives behind it, but control is surely the most important one. I feel we are being guided as sheep into a pen, not realizing it until the gate will close.

Some people here replied that they find it inconceivable that this has been planned for centuries, or even millenia, and that they don´t understand why some of these people wouldn´t refuse to cooperate. The answers to that are simple. In the first place, you do not have to plan every single little step in advance. You can start with a masterplan, defining the ultimate goal. Then, looking at the current situation, you could start planning the smaller steps to achieve the overall goal. You can adjust your plan accordingly over the passage of time and with previous results and reactions in mind. There may have been many failures over time, but how would we know about it? For us it would have been just another unrelated event, as there are many other events.

They who are in control are a select group of families with the means to execute such a large scale operation. Over the centuries they have managed to infiltrate governments, set up banks and got us to care more about consuming than thinking. They control the flow of information being fed to us in most every aspect. Witness to this are the attempts currently made to restrict access to or censor the internet as we now know it. The free discussion of political or sensitive topics may very well be restricted in the near future, down to a point that only a select few "underground" figures would continue to think critically and find ways to still communicate, while the rest of us resign to watch videos about cats playing a keyboard.

Secondly, those who are able to control entire populations most certainly wouldn´t have any problem controlling their own offspring and manipulating them face to face. Indoctrinating a small child during its childhood is very effective, especially when they are sent to private schools and kept from the proletarian population. Apart from that, most people born a billionaire to start with, wouldn´t complain about it. They are spoiled to the teeth, never want for anything they can not have and are completely blinded by the same mechanism we are exposed to. Another reason why these families are tight and do not expose each other is the simple fact that power corrupts. As children, these people are taught that they are of a "chosen" family. A royal bloodline or the elite, whatever they like to call it. They make sure they are elevated above the "peasants" and that they feel superior for what their ancestors have achieved so far, and dedicated to prolong the success to make them proud and being able to brag about it to their own children.

It´s a very serious topic. Whether they are "illuminati" or not; whether or not they planned it ages ago; whether or not the symbolism that is usually connected to them is of any significance: the fact of today is that these families do exist. There are very wealthy families all over the world, who own a big chunk of all the financial institutions, big corporations, media outlets and entertainment sectors. It´s not in their personal interest to have it any other way. A New World Order would be in their interest. It would open gates to countries where they have been unsuccesful so far to penetrate and execute their plan further. Any country not complying is swiftly overturned. How many examples are there not of countries whose leaders were at first condoned or even installed by the UN, only later to be removed or condemned by the same UN, claiming tyrrany must make way for democracy.

If it were any other way, if governments in the world really cared about the people, then why is there still hunger in this world? Why is not everyone provided for? Why do we have to work our asses off to be able to pay our rent or mortgage? Aren´t food, shelter, good health and security for everyone the primary goals of having a government? There is enough money in this world to make sure no one has to suffer, yet our governments rather spend it on pointless wars and bureaucracy, and we are letting them, electing them to do it even.

Good thread, op.

My only contribution is in regard to the Pike letter hoax.

When an author does not want to reveal his true source, he often uses something like a letter written by someone long dead to convey information. This would send all those who either want to debunk his writings or those who want to squelch the information on a wild goose chase.

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Yes its quite obvious that a secret group of "people" control what goes on in this world & all the symbolism does have a general connection..
Great job, you basically nailed this

The evidence is everywhere, in every country that I know of because we have the essentially same system everywhere on earth. The only questions I have at this point is if the Vatican, London, the Freemasons, all the nobility, etc. are 100% working together and the other big question...is the leadership human?

Based on what I know I'd answer YES and NO to those questions respectively.

Originally posted by Sinny
Then she said "what's the all seeing eye for?"

Aha. I had to laugh and say.. "Now that K, is a very interesting question... And no one could really tell you for sure.."

To me it's a symbolic representation of "god" and also a symbolic representation of the world's "elite" being possessed by entities and being separated from the rest of us while ruling us at the same time.

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seriously has anybody ever heard of Jordan, MN?

I've only heard of it because of this song by Big Black....

creepy.

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Yes, you are correct, there is a very dark energy controlling this NWO thing. There is the Light in the opposing force though. There are people who spend hours upon hours every day praying for the light to expand on this planet and to clean up the forces of darkness.

Brzezinski talks about how electronic media and populist activism has put a wrench in the works of the NWO plans for world domination.

www.infowars.com...

One more thing I would mention for everyone here is that the all-seeing eye was originally a regular Masonic symbol representing the watchful gaze of the "Great Architect" , our Creator, and the Illuminati formed in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt infiltrated the Masons and seized control of the inner core and perverted the original intent, which also contained what is known by some adepts as the "Divine Destiny of America", and they perverted the whole thing, and now that America got so strong, the World Socialists have to knock us down a notch so that all the other little nation states have equal power. The NWO bankers and industrialists are always toying with us.
However it must be stated that "The Light of God Never Fails".

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There now...finished with your rant? The controllers have told us they are creating a New World Order, including the current POTUS, in case somehow you thought he's not in on it and is really bringing creative solutions as you suggested.



Well, well, suddenly I can't get the video showing POTUS talking about the World Order....hmmm

Well anyway, Kissinger said Barack was the perfect guy to bring it.

Whether Pikes letter is a hoax or not, it still makes sense ,humans , [Governments] have been dabbling in the Occult and being guided and controlled by it since the beginning .The third world war starting in the middle east between Islam and Judaism ,dragging the U.S and Russia etc into it, completely devastating the world economy ,causing food shortages ,starvation ,massive numbers of deaths ,most likely the use of nuclear weapons, will leave the world completely exhausted and ruined and depopulated ,this will result in the world indignantly turning on religion as the cause of all the world wide havoc ,religions will be eliminated,and destroyed by the U.N ,and people will all turn their attention to the U.N as their saviour, resulting in the New World Order,in which everyone will have to pledge their allegiance to the UN, or be incarcerated and or executed .The U.N will later claim they have achieved True Peace and Security ,and that religion all along was the cause of mankinds problems