'Their' existence is seen everywhere, yet many still refuse to believe it...

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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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I think that alot of people actually do realise that they exist but are too scared to admit it or talk about it, even with their own families.

I'm too stubborn to fear them, and have been fighting them since the beginning. Life would be so boring if it was lived in fear.




posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by ErgoTheConclusion
It's simple. He is an actor. Not metaphorically... literally no different from Hollywood or News actors just different schedules and lingo.

The security around them is not *really* to keep them safe from physical danger of "us", but from informational danger. There is a tightly controlled bubble of information provided to these people and they know they are "acting" in a real time "production". Whenever something goes off script (communication bubble breached unexpectedly), the person simply becomes a normal person and has no idea what to say because none of the pre-programmed responses fit. But they still know "filming is ongoing" so they have to say something and... well...


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The David Fincher film "The Game, starring Micheal Douglas and Sean Penn comes immediately to mind in light of your post. It's spooky to say the least.

On a completely different note: I've only read up to this point in the thread and I'm surprised no-one has brought time travel and manipulation of "past" events from a vantage point in the future. Perhaps I'll run across something to that effect as I continue reading. And I'm not joking either. Think about it.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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every president ages like that, they have the most stressful job in the world



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Oh really? what have you done to "Fight" them?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous54321

Originally posted by jeantherapy
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I for one do not believe that humans need any extraterrestrial help to be nasty to each other, we've been doing it since day one. It's probably the one thing that humans are really good at, actually - the infliction of suffering.


We are utter Vikings when it comes to inflicting suffering, I would wholeheartedly agree. But some of the "monuments" on earth could not have been built by us, and couldn't be built by us even today.




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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Excellent thread with some very interesting replies. S&F


We've been controlled for many hundreds of years, and by a very small group of families.

Who are those families? to find out just follow the red carpet.
Those who walk the red carpet are of the same blood line.
Whenever you see royalty get the red carpet out look closely at those who are allowed to walk upon it, for there you will find those who control you.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Good Post!

Which also explains perfectly how the Big Wall Street Banks, like Goldman Sachs "Doing God's Work" donate to both parties, because they do not play the partisan game like many fools do, just as long as they get their puppet in to follow their agenda.

No Conspiracy there, but a statement of fact.

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The true elite hold no nationality or religion, they use us all as pawns-



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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I just don't think humans have the foresight to execute such a complex plan over such a long period of time without having major failures along the way. Everything just seems to be falling perfectly into place for the Illuminati. Like they somehow knew all along that the plan would succeed. Like it's been done before. Like the recipe for world domination was given to them by someone who used the same methods and succeeded.

Who knows really? It's just speculation on my part.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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you don't have to plan for centuries ahead. what you can do is plan to keep the confusion.
the plan is to keep people confused giving you plenty of time and space to adapt, react and plan on the spot to the tweaks, adjustments and new methods to keep the ball rolling.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Awesome #ing thread bro!

I don't have time to go through all the links and videos but does this ever look like a good read so far.

"I will be back...
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Great thread, thank you for posting.........

Tony Blair, the face of creepiness that goes right to the soul........

Yet another who actually did get away with murder.............



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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nice to see a poster of your caliber chiming in this thread.
although i fear your intervention might summon the hordes of debunkers and naysayers who stalk you around ats

fun will ensue



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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I like the amount of musicians that hint at it over and over again but people still don't listen!!!

One of my favourites:



The way that your percieved as regal
On televisions by the people
You don't fool us, we know your evil
And your methods are illegal...

Dhanni Harrison and crew spell it out for us, why can't people just accept its happening and its time we did something about it.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012


Identifying who they really are though, I agree that is next to impossible unless you are one of them.


Sometimes it's easy to see who their "nuttie minions" are, though, like Madonna, especially after last year's halftime show!



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Now this is a person who is thinking clearly!


Although this post is indeed very well written, makes some excellent points, and provides sources and backup for the points it makes, and, in my opinion, accurately explains the situation at the moment.


However, I do agree with you friend, The illuminati might exist, it might all be perfectly orchestrated in this way, or this might just be the world you end up with when the driving factors for the actions of 80% of its people (and I dont just mean the big corporate fat cats) are egoity and materialism, selfishness, in a word. Its like I was saying to my parents the other night, who were discussing 9/11 and whether it was a conspiracy or not, my mum thought maybe/no, my dad thought maybe/yes, and I said to them, it doesnt matter whether the conspiracy theories are true or not, what matters is that we dont just eat up what the media tells us without critically examining it, what matters is questioning the motives of governments and corporations, and what matters is letting people know that the conspiracy theories MIGHT be true, just to expand their minds a little. In the same way, whether the whole illuminati thing is true or not, what matters is opening peoples minds, and, there is the point that, if you resign yourself to the belief that everything in the world is controlled by a big evil, super rich, super powerful elite then, in a way, you renounce any responsibility for the evils happening in the world, and give up the idea that you can effect anything for the better in a big way, and if we all believed that then we would be completely disarmed and there would be no need for the bilderberg group or any of the rest.

XD



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Ok i see i got stars for my posts but that's not what im looking for. seriously has anybody ever heard of Jordan, MN?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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maybe you could provide a source for or a brief description of what you are referring to.
i admit i read your post yesterday and it got me curious but i was too lazy to google it based on such a vague claim.

what should i type in google besides the name and state of said town to get anything other than the wiki page for it, if it has one.

eta: so i added conspiracy to google search and obviously got it

en.wikipedia.org...

Jordan, Minnesota The first such case occurred in Jordan, Minnesota, in 1983, where several children made allegations against an unrelated man and their parents. The man confessed and then identified a number of the children’s parents as perpetrators. Ultimately twenty-four adults were charged with child abuse though only three went to trial with two acquittals and one conviction.[52] Despite strong medical findings of sexual assault, all other charges were dropped after the young child witnesses decompensated under the duress of the criminal trial.[53] During the investigation, the children made allegations regarding the manufacturing of child pornography, ritualistic animal sacrifice, coprophagia, urophagia and infanticide, at which point the Federal Bureau of Investigation was alerted.[54] No criminal charges resulted from the FBI investigation, and in his review of the case, the Attorney General noted that the initial investigation by the local police and county attorney was so poor that it had destroyed the opportunity to fully investigate the children’s allegations.[55] Judge Antonin Scalia referred to the Minnesota case in his summation on a later case, and stated, "[t]here is no doubt that some sexual abuse took place in Jordan; but there is no reason to believe it was as widespread as charged," and cited the repeated, well-intentioned but coercive techniques used by the investigators as damaging to the investigation.[52] The bizarre allegations of the children, the ambiguities of the investigation and the unsuccessful prosecutions were widely covered by the media. A number of accused parents confessed to sexually abusing their children, received immunity, and underwent treatment for sexual abuse, while parental rights for six other children in the case were terminated.[56]


www.ipt-forensics.com...

According to those who believe in the reality of organized, multigenerational satanic cults, there is a widespread, secret group of criminals that has infiltrated all institutions of society. These cults breed and kidnap children who are sexually abused in rituals that include animal mutilation, murder, and cannibalism. The cults are often involved in pornography, drugs, and forced prostitution and recruit teenagers who have experimented with occult magic. Victor observes that rumors, coming from different sources, have merged to form an elaborate account of a widespread conspiracy of satan worshipers. These rumors, such as cattle mutilation in some western states and satanism at Proctor and Gamble, along with high-profile child abuse cases such as McMartin and Jordan, Minnesota, contributed to the development of the belief in a satanic conspiracy. The media attention given to these rumors has given them credibility.


ok, so do you have anything new to add to these claims, or further proof?
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
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Tony Blair in my opinion has been one of the main players of the last 20 years. He had bill clinton in his pocket and then george bush has is guard dog. Although many will say Blair was bush's poodle, I think that is exactly what he wanted to get things done the way he did.

Im not saying he was the master mind of what has taken place over the last 20 years, but who ever is Blair was their man to get things done through the mid 90's and early 00's.

And wouldn't surprise me if his job isn't finished just yet either.


tony blair is just a low life scumbag pawn

Its just a shame his daughter doesn't tell the world what he is really like
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Darkmask
I don't know why, but I just can't shake this thought that the Illuminati were guided by an intelligence not of this Earth. The origin of this plan doen't come from a human mind. It goes against everything that makes us human. I'm not thinking divine guidance, rather that from a more advanced alien species who use the same methods to control their own kind as well. It just seems like they know what they are doing, like it's been done before. Like I said, I just can't stop my mind from going back to this conclusion.


Supposedly it's the ones who "saw the daughters of men, that they were fair," and bedded them and had children (Nephilim). I think the ones who kicked them to the curb for this transgression and then left, are probably coming back. Maybe it is "The Nine," mentioned by the Maya, or maybe that's a whole other group. It's hard to keep track without a scorecard.

I agree with what you're saying about "everything that makes us human." That may be the way we defeat them, by being loving AND logical, and teaching them how to be ethical, honest, and moral. Just as soon as we get that down ourselves!



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by UziLiberman
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maybe you could provide a source for or a brief description of what you are referring to.
i admit i read your post yesterday and it got me curious but i was too lazy to google it based on such a vague claim.

what should i type in google besides the name and state of said town to get anything other than the wiki page for it, if it has one.



I dont know what else to type, i found it by typing Jordan, MN 1986. and it was really hard for me to put links up lastnight as all i have is my crappy ass phone most of the time. I did give a brife description in my second post. i also said i dont know a lot about it, i only know what little my granpa and my dad told me. They refuse to tell me much else about it, that and granpa is no longer here he passed in 2009.

This is not just a claim from me alone, you can ask pretty much anybody who has been born or lived here for a long time and they will know exactly what your talking about.There were so many people involved, so many people accused, including my grand parents, dad, uncle.

There may be others from Mn that know more about it than i do. I was only 6 when this stuff went down. sorry for not providing links and what not i thought it would have been easy to find some of the stuff i was talking about considering so many know about it.

Anyway, ill try some google searches and see what i can dig up on the satanic worship and what not. Ill use different search terms and see what i can come up with. since im visiting my dad right now and using his computer i can put up links if i find anything.


ETA: I was one of those children involved with this case, but you found some things i have never read or heard of on the conspiracy side of it.
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