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Another FBI-created 'terrorist'

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posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by BenReclused

Then you need to arise from your make-believe version of reality.

I watched both videos. As I suspected, they only confirmed that you don't understand the meaning of the word "coerced". Perhaps you should "arise" and fetch a dictionary. Furthermore, basing your reality on nothing more than speculation is the very definition of "make-believe".

See ya,


All the arguments in your many posts in favor of the actions of the FBI assume that the media and the government are telling you the complete and accurate account of the events.

The primary problem with believing the media and they FBI is that they lie constantly.

I have taken into consideration the possibility that the FBI and the mainstream media do not have an agenda and are merely reporting a truthful account. I have decided to reject that notion, once again, because I know for a fact that the FBI and the media have a policy of persistent lies and agendas.

In this case, the truth as to if there was entrapment or coercion cannot be determined to an impeccable degree of certainty; however, I choose to use my keen sense of intuition coupled with a lifetime of experience with media deception and covert government activities to examine this story from a different, more probable perspective.

Do you believe everything you read in the news? Of course not. You use your own judgement to determine if there are shenanigans going on. Why treat this story any differently? The report, as one would expect, minimizes the amount of involvement the FBI had in encouraging, facilitating, and coercing this subject into action.

If the mainstream media news report said the FBI recruited him under the surreptitious motive to stage another foiled act of domestic terrorism by a Muslim, I guess you would have to believe that because that's what the handsome CNN anchor told you.

The arguments are only as good as the information, the rest needs to be filtered by an acute sense of when to get out the shovel because you smell something stinky.

Peace
edit on 16-9-2012 by InTheFlesh1980 because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Actually it already happens. You ever hear of America's Most Wanted? A large portion of fugitives, these days, are apprehended by tips - and those tips often come from friends or family members. Oh and a common police trick - catch a minor member of a group and use fear to get him to "give up" everyone else.

During the McCarthy area the FBI received endless amounts of information about supposed communists from citizen sources.

~Heff



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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All the arguments in your many posts in favor of the actions of the FBI assume that the media and the government are telling you the complete and accurate account of the events.

True, but considering the complete absence of any evidence to the contrary, I feel it's a PRETTY DAMN GOOD assumption. Do you have anything that contradicts the idea that he was ready, willing, and seeking an opportunity to break the law?


The primary problem with believing the media and they FBI is that they lie constantly.

I feel that the word "constantly" turns that statement into a lie.


I have taken into consideration the possibility that the FBI and the mainstream media do not have an agenda and are merely reporting a truthful account. I have decided to reject that notion, once again, because I know for a fact that the FBI and the media have a policy of persistent lies and agendas.

In this case, the truth as to if there was entrapment or coercion cannot be determined to an impeccable degree of certainty; however, I choose to use my keen sense of intuition coupled with a lifetime of experience with media deception and covert government activities to examine this story from a different, more probable perspective.

That's only a "long winded" excuse to ignore evidence. Without it, most conspiracy theories would fall flat on their face. Maybe that's your "primary problem".


Do you believe everything you read in the news? Of course not. You use your own judgement to determine if there are shenanigans going on. Why treat this story any differently? The report, as one would expect, minimizes the amount of involvement the FBI had in encouraging, facilitating, and coercing this subject into action.

If the mainstream media news report said the FBI recruited him under the surreptitious motive to stage another foiled act of domestic terrorism by a Muslim, I guess you would have to believe that because that's what the handsome CNN anchor told you.

Well... it's like this:
Every damn bit of evidence posted in this thread, including your source, supports my argument. Like I said earlier, if you have evidence to contradict it, please post it.


The arguments are only as good as the information, the rest needs to be filtered by an acute sense of when to get out the shovel because you smell something stinky.

That's just another way of saying: If the evidence doesn't support your argument, ignore it.

See ya,
Milt



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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reply to post by Hefficide
 


Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by BenReclused
 


Actually it already happens. You ever hear of America's Most Wanted? A large portion of fugitives, these days, are apprehended by tips - and those tips often come from friends or family members. Oh and a common police trick - catch a minor member of a group and use fear to get him to "give up" everyone else.

During the McCarthy area the FBI received endless amounts of information about supposed communists from citizen sources.

~Heff

Damn it! You're a sneaky little rascal!


Yes, I know about the above mentioned, but that doesn't support what I responded to. Your original comment was:

Soon they won't even need to spend money watching us - many of us will volunteer to do it, and we'll be more hypercritical and judgmental than any law enforcement agency can legally be.

That was an obvious "bait and switch", and you know it. LOL

In an effort to address both comments with the same argument:
People have been "ratting" on each other for many thousands of years. Most only do so with the proper incentive. I certainly don't see that changing anytime soon.

See ya,
Milt
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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This discussion is going nowhere with a person like you. Best of luck to you.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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So this guy posts statements online about a violent jihad and killing Americans and the F.B.I does something about it and you geniuses try to say he was coaxed into doing this? That they somehow tricked this guy into doing this? Once again ATS logic at it's finest. Perhaps they should of just done nothing and let this guy roam free with his obvious "love" for America..Maybe wait until he finds someone with the same mindset as him and blow some s**t up first before we do anything



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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This discussion is going nowhere with a person like you.

Of course it's not! There are two reasons for that:
1) I don't trust your "intuition" anymore than you trust the media, or even the FBI. I honestly find it amazing that you would expect me to. Don't feel bad about it though, the only "intuition" I pay any attention to is mine.

2) You won't post any evidence that contradicts my argument.

Good luck to you as well. It's been a charm!

See ya,
Milt



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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Anyone can be convinced of murder or genocide, you just have to have a great manipulator. The feds know how the mind works inside and out so it wouldn't surprise me if they were able to convince an innocent school girl or a nun to do the same.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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Just say NO, but he didn't.
hmmmm, 18yrs old eh? ... obviously, you are underestimating the power of peer pressure.


If it weeds out another Islamic wack job, i'm all for it.
ummm, when has it EVER ??



edit on 17-9-2012 by Honor93 because: format



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by RealSpoke
 


They create the terrorist scenario, convince someone to act on it and then arrest them.

Nonsense! Daoud had already expressed a desire to commit an act of "violent jihad". The FBI only gave him an opportunity to act out his fantasy.

See ya,
Milt

and in this train of thought, do we hand out utility knives to those who express an interest in cutting themselves ?? or hand a gun to someone who expressed a desire in committing suicide ??
where is the logic in this ??

wannabe terrorist ?? -->> what a "catch all" phrase.
didn't everyone play cops/robbers as kids at some point in their lives ??
terrorizing another human is a part of nature, everyone shows some desire at some point or we wouldn't have the entertainment variety that we do.

yes, those who act on it should be detained, however, do you blame the frog for jumping in a pot of hot water or the chef that filled it and turned on the heat ??
edit on 17-9-2012 by Honor93 because: add "hot" water - typo



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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This sort of thing is blatantly obvious, how the hell is it allowed to continue? Is the general population that stupid or is the legal system just that spineless? Perhaps it’s both. Surely an informed population and a strong legal system would have quashed this insidious practise when it first happened.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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It's fairly clear today America would have been better off under British rule. Atleast Britain likes its people and instead of wasting time attacking their own people, they use their time and resources to go after people in other lands to generate revenue.

I lost all respect for the FBI after they bought the house next to a guy and put two FBI agents in the house posing as a couple and harassed the guy living next door for over a year to sell them a shotgun with the barrel sawed off. They ended up shooting the guys kid, his dog, and when mommy walked out on the front porch with a baby in her arms to see what was going on....a FBI sniper shot her right between the eyes.

The Ruby Ridge incident. The man was awarded $3 milion after the FBI killed his entire family. The majority of what he got was taken back for taxes and lawyer costs...he really got nothing.

We've got some real CROOKS using their power/authority to kill their fellow Americans....just because they CAN.

The FBI agents who killed that mans family ended up getting awarded MEDALS. SICK!

America would have been better off if we were under British rule, and I bet if you asked every American citizen today you would have a majority agree.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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You know, you can always pack your stuff and move to the UK. Nobody is stopping you.
I may not agree with the F.B.I., the C.I.A. or any other alphabet agencies tactics, but I prefer them over British Rule.Its a free country where people are free to make their own choices. I hope you chose to leave.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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BenReclused, I have a new claim that I'm going to give you great supporting evidence for.

The pathology of your participation in this thread lead me to look at some of your other participation on ATS. You have -5,832 ATS points, 0 flags, and people in threads all over the place can't stand you. I assume all the negative points are because you can't participate in a productive way.

In other words, not only do you bring no value, you are a negative asset, a drain on cyber-society. Guess you don't have to trust your intuition on this key point because the evidence you cherish is really in my favor. Cheers troll!



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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reply to post by Honor93
 


and in this train of thought, do we hand out utility knives to those who express an interest in cutting themselves ?? or hand a gun to someone who expressed a desire in committing suicide ??
where is the logic in this ??

Where's the "logic" in that paragraph? You obviously don't understand the difference between what is fake, and what is real!


wannabe terrorist ?? -->> what a "catch all" phrase.
didn't everyone play cops/robbers as kids at some point in their lives ??
terrorizing another human is a part of nature, everyone shows some desire at some point or we wouldn't have the entertainment variety that we do.

Nonsense! Playing "cops and robbers", playing video games, and watching TV or movies ARE NOT acts of "violent Jihad". You seem to have a great deal of trouble distinguising the difference between fantasy and reality, but I suspect you are only being dishonest.


do you blame the frog for jumping in a pot of hot water or the chef that filled it and turned on the heat ?

That's easy: It's the frog's fault. If you crashed your car into someone's house, I have no doubt that you would blame those that built it, but only a true "nut case" would agree with you.

If you sincerely feel that the FBI is guilty of entrapment, show me some evidence. So far, your entire argument is based on nonsense and delusions.

See ya,
Milt



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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reply to post by BlindBastards
 


This sort of thing is blatantly obvious, how the hell is it allowed to continue? Is the general population that stupid or is the legal system just that spineless? Perhaps it’s both. Surely an informed population and a strong legal system would have quashed this insidious practise when it first happened.

An informed individual would have posted evidence instead of a rant.

See ya,
Milt



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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reply to post by Pervius
 


It's fairly clear today America would have been better off under British rule. Atleast Britain likes its people and instead of wasting time attacking their own people, they use their time and resources to go after people in other lands to generate revenue.

I lost all respect for the FBI after they bought the house next to a guy and put two FBI agents in the house posing as a couple and harassed the guy living next door for over a year to sell them a shotgun with the barrel sawed off. They ended up shooting the guys kid, his dog, and when mommy walked out on the front porch with a baby in her arms to see what was going on....a FBI sniper shot her right between the eyes.

The Ruby Ridge incident. The man was awarded $3 milion after the FBI killed his entire family. The majority of what he got was taken back for taxes and lawyer costs...he really got nothing.

We've got some real CROOKS using their power/authority to kill their fellow Americans....just because they CAN.

The FBI agents who killed that mans family ended up getting awarded MEDALS. SICK!

America would have been better off if we were under British rule, and I bet if you asked every American citizen today you would have a majority agree.

I must have missed it! What part of that RANT addressed: Another FBI-created 'terrorist'

See ya,
Milt



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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BenReclused, I have a new claim that I'm going to give you great supporting evidence for.

The pathology of your participation in this thread lead me to look at some of your other participation on ATS. You have -5,832 ATS points, 0 flags, and people in threads all over the place can't stand you. I assume all the negative points are because you can't participate in a productive way.

In other words, not only do you bring no value, you are a negative asset, a drain on cyber-society. Guess you don't have to trust your intuition on this key point because the evidence you cherish is really in my favor. Cheers troll!


My -5,832 point count is due to some of my previous responses to personal attacks such as yours. I have long since tempered my hostilities towards petty individuals, such as yourself, and my negative point count has decreased significantly. To your benefit, I'm not petty enough to report your post to the mods, and cause you to lose 1000 points.

In case you didn't know it: Flags aren't awarded unless one initiates a topic. That's just something that I haven't yet been interested in doing.

As to your overly exaggerated claim of "people in threads all over the place can't stand you":
Like you, many people on ATS tend to be bad sports when they lose an argument. Unlike you, I much prefer being honest to being popular.

Back to the subject at hand (so my post doesn't get removed for being "Off Topic"):

Guess you don't have to trust your intuition on this key point because the evidence you cherish is really in my favor.

You have shown ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that supports your claim that Daoud was entrapped by the FBI. That statement only shows a strong tendency toward dishonesty, and an extreme lack of integrity on your part, Well done!


Cheers troll!

I love to be called a "troll"! That ALWAYS indicates a weak or, as in your case, non existent argument on the part of those that try to use it as an insult. Hell, that's why I made the avatar that I use on this site.

As I said earlier, It's been a charm!

See ya,
Milt

PS:
I think I'll go to your profile and see what other nonsense you've posted. After all: I DO LOVE to "Deny Ignorance"! I'll bet I find a treasure trove.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Very well, back to the topic. One last try here and then we'll just have to disagree.


You have shown ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that supports your claim that Daoud was entrapped by the FBI. That statement only shows a strong tendency toward dishonesty, and an extreme lack of integrity on your part,


To use your tagline, "Nonsense!". We both are engaged in speculation based on opinion with no evidence. Here is the explanation, please try to follow:

I speculate that the FBI coerced and entrapped this individual for the greater purpose of perpetuating fear in the citizens of the US over domestic terrorism as a means of control as part of a greater agenda to limit freedoms so the power elite can always remain the power elite.

There is no direct evidence to support this. There cannot be because there is none to be found. There is only indirect evidence, intuition, and extrapolation.

You speculate that the mainstream media report is accurate and truthful, and that the FBI has been forthright in their account of this individual's actions and how much the FBI was involved. Since the media report and criminal complaint are instruments of the entities in question, they are not direct evidence. You speculate that they are true.

There is no direct evidence to support your stance as well. There cannot be because there is none to be found, unless you personally were present to verify that the FBI did not use illegal methods and lie in the report. There is only indirect evidence, intuition, and extrapolation.

Since you have misrepresented your evidence as factual, I suspect you are being dishonest, and that is a breach of integrity.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by InTheFlesh1980
reply to post by BenReclused
 


Very well, back to the topic. One last try here and then we'll just have to disagree.


You have shown ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that supports your claim that Daoud was entrapped by the FBI. That statement only shows a strong tendency toward dishonesty, and an extreme lack of integrity on your part,


To use your tagline, "Nonsense!". We both are engaged in speculation based on opinion with no evidence. Here is the explanation, please try to follow:

I speculate that the FBI coerced and entrapped this individual for the greater purpose of perpetuating fear in the citizens of the US over domestic terrorism as a means of control as part of a greater agenda to limit freedoms so the power elite can always remain the power elite.

There is no direct evidence to support this. There cannot be because there is none to be found. There is only indirect evidence, intuition, and extrapolation.

You speculate that the mainstream media report is accurate and truthful, and that the FBI has been forthright in their account of this individual's actions and how much the FBI was involved. Since the media report and criminal complaint are instruments of the entities in question, they are not direct evidence. You speculate that they are true.

There is no direct evidence to support your stance as well. There cannot be because there is none to be found, unless you personally were present to verify that the FBI did not use illegal methods and lie in the report. There is only indirect evidence, intuition, and extrapolation.

Since you have misrepresented your evidence as factual, I suspect you are being dishonest, and that is a breach of integrity.


Your entire argument is based on nothing more than ignoring existing documents and articles, your flawed intuition, your exaggerated claims, and your unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. That's not speculation! That's self-delusion!

There is considerable EVIDENCE in this thread to PROVE that claim.

See ya,
Milt

PS:
How do you like me now?
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