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German Die Welt: 'Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'

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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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'Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'

The German Spiegal has an article with several opinons on the current situations going on.

They have views from Left to Right.

Interesting how some opinions vary.


The conservative Die Welt writes:

"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."

"Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. In practice, the policies of the Obama administration in the region were not as naive as they may have seemed at times, and the Americans have always been much more involved in the Middle East than the passive Europeans. But Washington has provided the image of a distracted superpower in the process of decline to the societies there. This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali."

"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."....



The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:

"The conservative US media have already -- excessively -- labeled the anti-US protests in Egypt, Libya and Yemen as a 'wildfire' and interpreted them as a result of Obama's 'weakness.'"

"It's lucky for Obama that his opponent Romney is acting in such a hapless manner. Instead of condemning the attacks in a statesman-like fashion and assuring the president of his support, Romney criticized the government's alleged 'apology' to the demonstrators. That was not just nonsense, but partisan maneuvering at a moment when patriotism would have been appropriate. With his attack, Romney has scored an own goal."

'Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'
 


Meanwhile....back at the ranch:




White House Press Secretary Jay Carney opted not to respond to the suggestion that the embassy attacks throughout the Middle East suggest that extremists view the United States under President Obama as weak on foreign policy.

“We are happy to debate — and there is certainly ample time and appropriate time to debate foreign policy approaches, this president’s record on foreign policy,” Carney told reporters during the press briefing when asked if the attacks stemmed from “perceived American weakness” that stems from Obama’s leadership. “We’re very proud of the president’s record on foreign policy and are happy to make the case at the appropriate time.”

Carney emphasized instead the tragedy in Libya. "This is a time when it's in the best interests of the country to focus on the four personnel, the four Americans that we lost in Libya and who are returning home today, and on the measures that we need to take as a nation to deal with the [ongoing unrest]," he said.

WH: ‘We’re very proud of the president’s record on foreign policy’
 



Meanwhile ..... around the globe:


Like they say .... "Sock It to ME" !!





posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:06 AM
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This is nothing but war mongering conservative propaganda.

The U.S has no control over the actions of Islamic extremists in foreign countries.

Should we send troops into Libya and Yemen and start another endless war? Or should we go down the diplomatic route and wait until this thing dies out?

Personally, after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars literally resulted in the U.S going bankrupt, I think it would be wise to wait this one out.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:09 AM
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Funny how when talk of maybe scaling back military spending things pop up that make that look like a really bad idea.

911 being a good example, the go to to drum up spending...

This all seems very contrived, almost like someone wants the US to keep spending boat loads of cash on defense, and remain hostile to the Middle east.

Muslims are being lead by the nose to their own destruction, all sides seem to be being played.

And of course its an election year so the go to will be Obama is weak on defense, funny how the single worst attack on us soil in modern times was with a Republican in office, and with strong levels of defense spending.

I think the key here is finding out who benefits most from increased military spending, increased hostility toward Muslim nations, and making a sitting president whose ignored some allies who want us to role through the middle east look bad.

Divisive partisanship during an election year is not the answer to the problem, sure it might help a REP get elected but that kind of thinking got us into the mess we all are in now.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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reply to post by muse7
 


That's pretty funny cosidering he posted both a conservative and a liberal viewpoint from GERMANY. And where have you been when Obama sent planes to fly over Libya without consent of Congress?
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:29 AM
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Meanwhile, in Washington DC...

"Whatever you do Jay, blame the movie!"

"That doesn't even make sense! Nobody will believe that. Hell, you'd have to be the world's dumbest detective to believe that there is nothing more to this than just some dumbass movie."

"Jay, it doesn't even freakin' matter anymore. You want to be Press Secretary or not? Just get out there an blame the movie."

"Dude! Where the Hell is the President?"

"That's not you're problem. Just blame the movie."

"What do I say if they ask about Ambassador being raped before being murdered?"

"Nothing, Jay! You don't say a damn thing. You ignore it. You just blame the movie. What's so hard about this?"

"Goddammit. Fine. Blame the movie. Blame the movie. Got it."



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


My point stands.

We should not be taking any military action at this moment.

It's easy to call on the U.S to "toughen" it's Foreign Policy, when you're a foreign country and you know it's not going to be your troops that are going to be fighting another endless war.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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It's much easier in an election year to go after the messenger, than to argue the facts.

Let me see. Shut down the messenger or go to war?
reply to post by GreenGlassDoor
 



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


My point stands.

We should not be taking any military action at this moment.

It's easy to call on the U.S to "toughen" it's Foreign Policy, when you're a foreign country and you know it's not going to be your troops that are going to be fighting another endless war.


Did you understand my point that Obama already GOT us into Libya without the consent of Congress but by way of joining France at the behest of the UN?

www.navytimes.com...

Why did Obama stick his nose into a Libyan turf war? Why did he follow the lead of the UN? It is because it is against the better interests of the US to do so, because Obama has always been about sabotaging the US and it's interests. Obama emboldens our enemies and sacks our best allies.
All I can say is karma karma karma

Can you give me a logical answer to the question: why do liberals support Obama sticking the US military into Libyan turf wars and then turn around and blame Republicans as war mongers?
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:52 AM
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Obama did his best, I believe his intentions were good, it was the right choice, to give people freedom.

Sometimes people use freedom badly

What he does next is what will determine much more. At least he can say he tried.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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This all seems very contrived, almost like someone wants the US to keep spending boat loads of cash on defense, and remain hostile to the Middle east.

Muslims are being lead by the nose to their own destruction, all sides seem to be being played.


Likewise, Sacha Cohen makes acting fictitious roles easy.

It's truly a shame wising up isn't synonymous with rising up in the whole of our society.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 04:20 AM
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More First World problems:




"Angry scenes have erupted in central Sydney as hundreds of Muslims protest against a controversial film about the Prophet Mohammed.

The wave of protests spread to Sydney's CBD this afternoon, beginning outside the United States Consulate and spreading through the city's streets to Hyde Park.

One protester was carrying a placard that read "behead those who insult the Prophet".



Thread

Source



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by penninja
Obama did his best, I believe his intentions were good, .

Intentions and 'doing his best' are irrelevant. The fact his ... his policy of 'apologize and appease' has failed miserably. This whole situation is more proof of two things -

1 - Obama is in way over his head. He can't do the job. His appeasement policies are dead wrong.
2 - You can't reason with unreasonable people. Religious fanatics (of any religion) are unreasonable.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muse7
 


That's pretty funny cosidering he posted both a conservative and a liberal viewpoint from GERMANY. And where have you been when Obama sent planes to fly over Libya without consent of Congress?
edit on 15-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


You and the war mongering neocon cabal would like us to believe that
This is Obama's doing.

You guys aren't gonna let a good crisis go to waste huh?


I bet the lot of you reckon it is smart to further inflame a situation
Where 11 nations are going off?

The opportunism you guys show is scandalous and beneath the knee.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by penninja
Obama did his best, I believe his intentions were good, .

Intentions and 'doing his best' are irrelevant. The fact his ... his policy of 'apologize and appease' has failed miserably. This whole situation is more proof of two things -

1 - Obama is in way over his head. He can't do the job. His appeasement policies are dead wrong.
2 - You can't reason with unreasonable people. Religious fanatics (of any religion) are unreasonable.



The conservative intention is to bomb often and think later, that is clear.

You sure right about religious fabrics, takes one to know one.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Obama did not start a war.

You guys are clamouring for war, this would blow over if you
And the conservative Muslims would get over yourselves already.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Its only in ruins if you believe it was meant to accomplish something positive.

If you realize it was not, its actually quite successful.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 06:49 AM
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Just a dumb question. IF OBAMA DECLARES WAR, IS IT THE GOP'S FAULT?

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muse7
 


That's pretty funny cosidering he posted both a conservative and a liberal viewpoint from GERMANY. And where have you been when Obama sent planes to fly over Libya without consent of Congress?
edit on 15-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


You and the war mongering neocon cabal would like us to believe that
This is Obama's doing.

You guys aren't gonna let a good crisis go to waste huh?


I bet the lot of you reckon it is smart to further inflame a situation
Where 11 nations are going off?

The opportunism you guys show is scandalous and beneath the knee.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
Just a dumb question. IF OBAMA DECLARES WAR, IS IT THE GOP'S FAULT?


If Obama declares war, the GOP would be against it. If Obama calls for peace the GOP would be against it.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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The Germans know Obama is a mere puppet and this was all planned out long ago.

Destabilizing techniques abroad reduce others population and give them huge social problems to deal with.
These Muslim nations don't realize by wasting their time doing this they are making themselves poorer by the day. Their monkey wild population is committing crimes against itself, making their population weaker. All those tires and plastic burning is giving their populations dire health problems.

Those simple minded people are falling for it hook, line, and sinker. They don't even realize the damage they are doing to themselves. Poor Muslims.....keep breathing in those burning tires and burning plastic.....the smart people of the world are laughing at your stupidity.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by RELDDIR
Just a dumb question. IF OBAMA DECLARES WAR, IS IT THE GOP'S FAULT?


If Obama declares war, the GOP would be against it. If Obama calls for peace the GOP would be against it.

Ha
Ha
Ha
Ha ha

That says it all




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