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I have accurate information from Middle East, Film is just a straw that broke the back

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posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by roadgravel
How long before religion uses a nuclear weapon against religion. Religion seems to be only waiting for the end of the world.


I know right?!
I thought about it a while ago and it seems like they all want something to happen diabolically, so then they can say
"See?! I told you so, we were right!"
on the other hand I sometimes wonder if their daring a 'diety' to act, just to prove that their faiths which they have desperately clung to all these years is confirmed, they don't care how it's done.

Bloody madness and inherantly ingrained.... in 'normal' (snort) Western society they'd be psychiatry fodder and dosed accordingly (shudders), but perhaps it's time to treat them like they have a mental disorder, they certainly don't know restraint and clear communication for all their religious educations.

And never forget the silent extremist who pokes the hornets nest from a safe distance, knowing the truth, but feeding a never ending supply of rope in which the others can hang themselves with, they're very sneaky too.

Mad world




posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by ABNARTY
I have little idea what is happening with regards to capitals in predominately Islamic nations. Why some are rioting and causing havoc there eludes me. But I fully comprehend I will not get a clear picture from watching the news. Matter of fact, what I get from the news is more questions in my mind. Like, with this particular patchwork of information (notice I did not say knowledge) what am I being sold? Sounds paranoid right? Please consider this.

I saw a crawler on CNN claiming the Muslim world is aflame. Well, if you check the news services, blogs, and pod casts from these places, that is not the case. I trust the dudes on the ground. Sure there is discontent. When has that not been true? Sure there are always those ready to take to the street to vent rage for a million different reasons, to simply see what is going on, or to make buck. Here dude, burn this flag while I film it. I’ll give you $20.

So who has the camera and is handing out the $20’s?

Four State Department employees/contractors were killed. Sad? Sure. My heart goes out. How many Defense Department employees/contactors were killed this week? Haven’t seen anything on that. (edit: I finally did, on Al Jazeera) Has that lost its luster? Its impact? Its leverage?

So why the new tool? Why now?

There was some video (I dare call it a movie) which has sparked the whole thing. The world is on fire over a video? A video almost nobody in the US heard of. The whack-a-mole is on to pin down who made and who paid for it. Apparently it was funded by a US Christian organization or maybe an Egyptian Coptic who has had numerous run in with the fuzz in Egypt or maybe that nut job Pastor in Florida. It was published on You Tube by a guy who does not exist. Even though the video had been out for some time, it was posted just in time for the 9/11 anniversary. The actors in the video claim they were lied to and had no clue the final product would look like it did. Supposedly it cost $5 million to make. After watching some of the video, I think someone got robbed but Hey, just my opinion.

This elaborate back story of no-names and non-persons and non-sense seems like a very familiar pattern. It’s almost like someone had to go out of their way to create something so elaborately deceptive. Who has the skills and the motivation to do something like that?

OK so this water is too muddy to see the bottom. Maybe I can get an idea of what is going on by looking at the context. What is happening in that part of the world? Who stands to gain? Who stands to lose? What message does the hysteria send and to whom?

This was harder to nail down than I thought. Sure we have the Iran/Israel/nuclear thing which has been long running. We recently had the Arab spring. But I had to scan the big news web sites looking for clues. ‘Naked Royals’? Nope. Romney v. Obama? Nada. Chicago teacher strike? El Zippo there. Sofia Vergara Strips Down for Body Painting? After a good 20 minutes of scrutiny of the photos, still no clues.

I finally found some perspective here Link. It helps clear up the whole ‘world on fire’ nonsense. Gets it localized. This group vying for power over the other group. Very Arab. They are the Kings of negotiation, with words or bullets. Makes sense. But it is far from news. Definitely a ‘dog bites man’ thing in that part of the world.

So what is the link to its sensationalism? I still am not sure. But I am confident it is not over a video.



So they ALL can read this again.

I believe this is called, an excercise in 'most excellent' critical thinking x a



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by jimmiec
A country led by an intolerant religion can not be trusted with nuclear weapons. Find tolerance and help create a world of peace and prosperity.


Its seems to me u have never read the Quran. Its messages are VERY close to our bible...
besides the nuclear commitee knows they have had nuclear power, since 1994 or so.
Iran's president even said that in a speech last year or so.
But i guess that U.S.A is the only ones who should have nuclear power, since u havent been to war so much... not just like 80% of your time as a country on earth.
U.S should be the LAST to have nuclear weapons, theyre also the only country to drop atomic bombs on civilization... ure comment just shows you dont think very far.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by jimmiec
A country led by an intolerant religion can not be trusted with nuclear weapons. Find tolerance and help create a world of peace and prosperity.


Its seems to me u have never read the Quran. Its messages are VERY close to our bible...
besides the nuclear commitee knows they have had nuclear power, since 1994 or so.
Iran's president even said that in a speech last year or so.
But i guess that U.S.A is the only ones who should have nuclear power, since u havent been to war so much... not just like 80% of your time as a country on earth.
U.S should be the LAST to have nuclear weapons, theyre also the only country to drop atomic bombs on civilization... ure comment just shows you dont think very far.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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So why are we having protests in Australia?




posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by LostPassword

I guess you didn't get the MEMO where Iraqi local police managed to find few years ago
that money was paid by Mossad to bad apples which every society has to attack Sunnis
and Sunnis to attack Shiites, promoting infighting and chaos.

US and Israeli fingerprints all over that for many years, they did the same in Kosovo


Since you accuse everyone of getting their information from the MSM, what intelligence report or proof do you have that it was really the Mossad? I'd be interested in any kind of source from you at all, as I haven't seen one to back up any of your claims, that I recall.

In the meanwhile, we know for a fact that all kinds of terrorist groups hide behind the Mossad and use them as a cover to push blame.

So, tell me, out of this list of 100 terrorist organizations in the Middle East, 14 of which are grounded in Iraq, which group was the Mossad paying anyway?

www.globalsecurity.org...



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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How does that compare to 3000 Americans killed by CIA and Mossad on 9/11?


It looks like you've only researched one side of this story as well.

Here's a hint, start by researching the lawsuits of the family's of 9/11. Check to see who they sued and what documentation they had to do it with.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by LostPassword
the real anger comes from people being sick and tired of US and Israeli sabotage over the years.


So this is just another ... bash America and Israel and refuse to admit Islam wants to drag the world back a thousand years .. thread?? Okay. good to know.


FACT - Islam was 'angry' and 'violent' long before Israel became a soverign country and long before the USA even existed as a nation. It was born in blood. It spread at the tip of a sword. And modern day (if you can call them that) Islamic nations are very much involved in proxy wars around the planet and in 'sabatoge' against non-islamic countries. The USA and Israel aren't innocent. But the Islamic countries aren't innocent either.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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It has probably been said already, but the man that made that strange video is just the scapegoat.

Deja Vu again
www.cnn.com...


Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.

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posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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The people threw some of them out DESPITE not BECAUSE of US and Israel. And in fact people are also realizing that US and UK are now taking over their revolutions by making deals with terrorists to overthrow Assad in Syria.


Where's your source again? Which terrorists are the US and UK making deals with?

It's obviously not Al Qaeda...


Zawahri said the United States was propping up Assad because it feared the rise of another Islamist regime to threaten its ally Israel.

"Supporting jihad in Syria to establish a Muslim state is a basic step towards Jerusalem, and thus America is giving the secular Baathist regime one chance after another for fear that a government is established in Syria that would threaten Israel," he said.


www.reuters.com...

Zawahri is correct in stating that the U.S. fears the rise of another terrorist Islamic regime to threaten Israel.

What do you think Zawahri means when he says "supporting jihad in Syria to establish a Muslim state is a basic step toward Jerusalem"? What the hell do you think they're going to do next if they accomplish these goals? How many people do you think will die and be displaced if these people get their hands on Israel? I think we already know the answer to that question. You don't care, but many more people are going to die than what you have complained about already. Sorry, can't have your cake and eat it too. It's going to end up one way or the other and it absolutely will end up affecting the U.S.




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posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by LostPassword
I am not gonna post here anymore, my energy is out, I have to take care of myself.

I can't fight all the shills, honest fools and agent provocateurs


That's because the situation in the Middle East is a losing battle filled with too many terrorist groups and spies blaming each other for anyone to know the whole truth, but digging up resources with research to back up your claims helps.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by LostPassword
the real anger comes from people being sick and tired of US and Israeli sabotage over the years.


So this is just another ... bash America and Israel and refuse to admit Islam wants to drag the world back a thousand years .. thread?? Okay. good to know.


FACT - Islam was 'angry' and 'violent' long before Israel became a soverign country and long before the USA even existed as a nation. It was born in blood. It spread at the tip of a sword. And modern day (if you can call them that) Islamic nations are very much involved in proxy wars around the planet and in 'sabatoge' against non-islamic countries. The USA and Israel aren't innocent. But the Islamic countries aren't innocent either.



That is true, which is why we should have stayed the hell out of the middle east in the first place. When we started sticking our noses in, we got involved with all that crap.

JUST GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by LostPassword
I am not gonna post here anymore, my energy is out, I have to take care of myself.

I can't fight all the shills, honest fools and agent provocateurs


You are not going to post anymore?

So you just dropped by to spread some propaganda?

Just curious.

Darn I wanted to ask you about the Genetic experimentation.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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which is why we should have stayed the hell out of the middle east in the first place


Momma use to always say,

"If the mountain won't come to Muhammad then Muhammad must go to the mountain."



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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No matter what, the right to speak freely without fear MUST be held sacred, by us and by them. If not then we are at the mercy of any muslim posting a video for no other reason than to blame Americans for it and happily watch as our citizens are being slaughtered for it.
Unless they recognize and acknowledge that ever person, even their own have a right to speak freely, this will repeat itself over and over. Justified or not.

The best answer is to get them accustomed to this sort of thing. Day in and day out, a nonstop barrage of all things offensive. In a very short amount of time it would get about as much attention as a ant gets crossing the street



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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Here's what most people don't understand. If you remove the U.S. and Israeli presence out of the Middle East, you still have all of these atrocities being committed, and it wouldn't even slow down.

It is their sandpile after all, not ours.

What gives us the right to fix their problems? We do't even speak the language. I'd be more concerned with the attitude that justifies interfering with other nations by waging war and conquering them to get their stuff.



Yah right. We didn't even get oil contracts from Iraq. you know who did? China and Russia. So get your facts together before blurting out bs. And for your information, Russia wanted the pipeline in Afghanistan and wanted to support the Afghani communist party there while they were at it.
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posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Kastogere
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Dude, its all about money....Gaddafi had a good thing going for his people...and NATO f*cked it up because he was trying to get away from the dollar..

The USA bombs other countries with freedom, and attacks them with democracy....


Yah that was OBAMA going with France without consent of Congress.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Yah right. We didn't even get oil contracts from Iraq. you know who did? China and Russia. So get your facts together before blurting out bs.

Guess they thought that was a better deal than our "deal"... oil for food.

Not sure where your coming from with that. We occupy Iraq. Our Embassy there is the biggest on the planet. Our oil companies (that is Western) pump and refine the crude. If Russia and China are buying it they are getting it thru US. Like to see those books.

I want to understand what you are saying though so point me to a source about the Russian and Chinese contracts? As far as I know the Chinese are buying Iranian crude and investing in the "new" fields in Eastern Africa.



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by LostPassword


IF YOU TREAT A MAN LIKE AN ANIMAL


HE BECOMES AN ANIMAL



What are we if not a species of animal?



posted on Sep, 16 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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I posted this elsewhere but thought it belonged here as well:

ATS,
hate to be the devil advocate, but nothing (resistance-wise) will ever happen. How many of us sit here at our computers discovering how "corrupt" and evil TPTB are and continue to do nothing about it... what could we do anyways. Even if we did stand up how credible do you think a bunch of conspiracy nuts from the internet will seem to the general public? forces have been set in motion that cant be stopped? Why you ask, because thats just how the world works. No matter how "enlightened" we think we are, we're all still sheep being led to slaughter. Sure we have some control but most of the world prefers to keep their head in the sand and hope for the best. With so many other problems in the world, people will never take the initiative to try and stop TPTB untill its to late. Thats just human nature. Ignorance is bliss.

For those of you who disagree, I'd love to here your rebuttal. If you think we can stop "THEM" please tell me how.




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