U.S. Military Power makes WWIII unrealistic.

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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You come here and make a big claim, you'd better back it up. Less we think you got into grandpa's cough medicine again.




posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You come here and make a big claim, you'd better back it up. Less we think you got into grandpa's cough medicine again.


You look at any of the links I provided?


s included as an 'enhanced neutron weapon' in chapter 5 of the declassified (formerly secret) manual edited by Philip J. Dolan, Capabilities of Nuclear Weapons, U.S. Department of Defense, effects manual DNA-EM-1, updated 1981 (U.S. Freedom of Information Act). Provided that the weapon was not used in a thunderstorm, no fallout effects would occur from the use of a neutron bomb according to that manual, as the combination of 500 m burst altitude and low yield prevents fallout in addition to significant thermal and blast effects. The reduction in damage outside the target area is a major advantage of such a weapon to deter massed tank invasions. An aggressor would thus be forced to disperse tanks, which would make them easier to destroy by simple hand-held anti-tank missile launchers.


Red Mercury, and Neutron bombs, in a military field manual, that alone makes nukes obsolete.

And that is just one fairly old example, look through the SW thread of slayers, theres Vid of the SDI test vehicles, don't know how much more Extraordinary proof you need.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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en.wikipedia.org...(CVN-78)

Read. Split Infinity



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:54 AM
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Here's the whole paragraph from the actual RAND corporation document:




Most important, the Navy is likely to consider upgrading the ships’ defense systems as new technologies mature. Aircraft carriers’ speed and mobility combined with their layered defense systems of aircraft and escort ships have kept them free from attack since World War II. However, the aircraft carrier design needs to keep pace with potential future threats. Global Positioning System (GPS)–guided smart weapons are likely to proliferate among potential adversaries, and a need will likely remain for U.S. carriers to operate in such confined waters as those of the Arabian Gulf and the Adriatic Sea. A premium may thus be placed on defense against smart weapons. Defense against high-speed, GPS-guided missiles will require faster defensive weapons, such as laser guns, and energy dissipating armor systems, such as dynamic armor should the smart weapons get past the lasers. CVN 21 will be in good position to accept these defensive systems. Only half of the electrical power-generation capability on CVN 21 is needed to run currently planned systems, including EMALS. CVN 21 will thus have the power reserves that the Nimitz class lacks to run lasers and dynamic armor.


He doesn't say they exist. He is hypothesizing they could be implemented IF they existed, but basing that assumption that the Ford-class has enough excess power to to actually run the thing.

To further drive home the point: what are the power requirements for an operational FEL? You know, one that is cutting through 1000-feet of steel and shooting down MIRVs?

Thanks for playing.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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I know a bit about this stuff. WWIII or anything like that is highly unlikely. Since the end of WWII warfare has changed with nuclear weapons. The concept of MAD or mutually assured destruction for full-scale warfare between nuclear powers means both sides will destroy each other and probably most of the world. We already have the ultimate weapons of armageddon. ICBMs and SLBMs with MIRVs. One US Ohio class SSBN can destroy a whole country with the Trident SLBM weapons system.

As for the FEL laser it seems to be a defensive weapon for anti-aircraft anti-missile application to protect the vulnerable carriers from anti-ship missiles. It could be very dangerous for aircraft but modern SAM or surface to air missiles already are. A stealthy aircraft could still avoid radar detection and the FEL laser system however.

Modern conventional warfare is all about airpower. Gain air supremacy and you control the battlefield. Current speculation in military aviation is that the F-22 and F-35 could be the last manned fighters and the future is with UCAVs or unmanned combat aerial vehicles. We have guided missile systems which can hit and destroy any target, the challenge is to detect and find the target.

The FEL laser could be a good air defense system but I don't think it is meant to be a weapon of mass destruction or to take the place of a nuclear arsenal.

As the saying goes there's no substitute for boots on the ground like the war on terror in Afghanistan.


Anyway if you want to engage a US CVBG or aircraft carrier battle group use a submarine. In an exercise an Australian Oberon class SSK or diesel-electric sub scored a hit on a US Nimitz class carrier with Mk-48 torpedoes.
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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The reliance on technology can be an Achilles heal. It does not matter how good your military is if someone turns your satalites off line..



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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Well for a couple of minutes I was truly in a mix of emotions, I didnt know wether to be happy that America has this high tech. gear or scared, they could either protect us or lord over us and hold us to ransom at the will of the elitist. and then i thought well the V.C. pushed them out and the goat herders arnt doing a bad job.
So if America goes all nazi with thier brand new photons and phasers in the future we'll just stick to that old addage "bull*&^t baffles brains" gets em' every time.




posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by Druscilla

While people keep telling me to google this and google that, it does nothing to prove a claim that any super power has such weapons that make nuclear weapons obsolete.


You still wouldn't believe it if you woke up the next morning and the weapon was in bed with you!!



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by USN1983

Originally posted by Druscilla

While people keep telling me to google this and google that, it does nothing to prove a claim that any super power has such weapons that make nuclear weapons obsolete.


You still wouldn't believe it if you woke up the next morning and the weapon was in bed with you!!


Damn, that was a heat seeking PREDATOR missile lol



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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If the US is so invincible then why do they fear Russia or/and China ?

Russia for one is not afraid of the US or its anti-missile shield that is surrounding it.....they are confident that couldn't stop its weapons.

Hopefully when it happens the Bear and Dragon will wring that scrawny birds neck and the world will be free from the corporate army that is turning the world to sh#t.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by RobertF
Isn't s particle beam weapon the same as laser? Irregardless of its power source?

No... A laser collimates and"shoots" (for lack of a better term)photons; particle beam: protons or neutrons.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by ken10
If the US is so invincible then why do they fear Russia or/and China ?

Russia for one is not afraid of the US or its anti-missile shield that is surrounding it.....they are confident that couldn't stop its weapons.

Hopefully when it happens the Bear and Dragon will wring that scrawny birds neck and the world will be free from the corporate army that is turning the world to sh#t.


Of the three big kids left on the block We are hardly the"scrawny bird" or have you never been in the "bomb bay" of a B-52? (I have..) The once magnificent soviet fleet is rusting in port.China is building up and modernizing its forces;however.

You know what?

if you are so sick of "our" team then just put on your cleanest Che' T-shirt; grab your I-phone (5?) and start walking. Get the **** out. I am so tired of this Apologetic "anti American" defeatists crap.


If I brought my kid to the first day of soccer practice and the coach is dejectedly kicking the dirt" Well you can play with us but we aren't gonna' win anything: (if we win it makes the other team feel "bad"). We won the last 6 seasons and the other teams are mad at us. Winning isn't everything

That coach would soon be out of a job.He can philosophize all he wants but his job is to play on our strengths and win the advantage for our"team".

Sorry; that's life; Winners and losers; In the African bush sometimes the gazelle slips away; sometimes the cheetah wins. Then the gazelle doesn't get a "good try" participation award for saving the cheetah's ego.

Participation trophies are a relatively recent thing. kinda' like Nobel peace prizes for state senators who talk "pretty".
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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This is the problem with "yanks", they know their government is corrupt, serving corporations rather than its people.
And who's foreign policy has caused so much destabilisation and deaths world-wide.......Yet they still defend it.





posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by ken10
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This is the problem with "yanks", they know their government is corrupt, serving corporations rather than its people.
And who's foreign policy has caused so much destabilisation and deaths world-wide.......Yet they still defend it.



And I guess the"British empire" is/was completely blameless for shaping world events the past two centuries?
Thats the problem with "Brits"????(short memories)

After all You guys aren't just about big fuzzy beefeater hats and huge public Royal wedding spectacles; but the entire bloody history of the African continent.

Two can throw pointless insults about.

I had chow with quite a few RAF tornado pilots in Saudi; so do lecture me about using force to motivate people.
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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Say what you will about the British government, It does not represent me or my feelings and I will not jump to defend it from criticism I know is true.

As long as there are people like you condoning and defending bad practice.....then it will always continue.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Ok so i googled it and came up with the following.

free electron laser

You may think that the Navy's just the baby brother to the two other US Armed Forces, but its weapon development record definitely shows otherwise. Just over two years after building an 8-Megajoule railgun, the branch has penned two $7 million checks to defense contractors Boeing and Raytheon for the design and development of a free-electron laser (FEL). For what it's worth, such a device has been yearned for since a day after the dawn of time, as unlike chemical-based lasers, the FEL would be 100 percent electric and easier to move. For those unaware,this stormy petrel of a weapon would be used to blast down missiles in mid-flight, all while putting on a pretty impressive light show. 'Course, the Navy must also figure out how to build a massive energy generating ship in order to use it, but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here, okay?


It's a laser beam! It can shoot down missiles... that's about all it's good at.
It wont stop WW3! LOL



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:56 AM
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Have a nice day ken10;
I'm not really looking for a 2nd grade pissing contest.
grab a pint...

I'll admit; We certainly aren't perfect; and our lumbering machine makes mistakes and squashes a few toes(hurts people) every now and then.

I'm just sick of our people putting their (our) own country down...I see you are a Brit so I wrongly "jumped the gun" and assumed you were a whiny twenty something home from "university";
No offense;
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by JimTSpock
I know a bit about this stuff. WWIII or anything like that is highly unlikely. Since the end of WWII warfare has changed with nuclear weapons. The concept of MAD or mutually assured destruction for full-scale warfare between nuclear powers means both sides will destroy each other and probably most of the world.


Hi Jim,

Yes, things have changed since the end of WW2. However, as the cold war proved, it wasn't cold everywhere. East Asia saw much conflict. In my opinion, the future wars will be civil wars.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by deessell

Originally posted by JimTSpock
I know a bit about this stuff. WWIII or anything like that is highly unlikely. Since the end of WWII warfare has changed with nuclear weapons. The concept of MAD or mutually assured destruction for full-scale warfare between nuclear powers means both sides will destroy each other and probably most of the world.


Hi Jim,

Yes, things have changed since the end of WW2. However, as the cold war proved, it wasn't cold everywhere. East Asia saw much conflict. In my opinion, the future wars will be civil wars.

"Low intensity conflict" (i.e."proxy wars";"terrorism" and insurgencies).The Long slow burn.
Nation states are fixed targets "movements/terrorism and insurgencies"are fluid and hard to pound outofexistence with lumbering armies and heavy munitions.

"National governments" can be bought and bound by treaty; "People" on the other hand hold grudges for generations.
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by DaRAGE

It's a laser beam! It can shoot down missiles... that's about all it's good at.
It wont stop WW3! LOL


That electric rail shooting aero planes off the deck of the new Ford Class aircraft carrier....have you pondered if they could aim it up??

There's a reason they expanded the ammo hold so large. And why it sits so deep in the water they have to dredge ports around the world for her.

What if that electric rail plane launcher can aim up and shoot 300 JDAMs at a country?? Can China stop 300 bombs raining down on them? No.

She's not really an aircraft carrier. She's a battleship. We only need 1 of her. She's a bad SOB.....just from what we know from public data released.....





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