How is it that people protest peacefully when they are being corralled by riot police, not boy scouts or regular police, but riot police?
as the saying goes, every problem is a nail when all you have is a hammer
While I do believe you make a valid point,I stand by what I said.A stupid obscure movie made by biggot idiots is no excuse to riot,burn embassies or
to be violent.I am not saying the Western Government policies have not stoked the anger of these people.However like you said there is a hammer and a
nail,guess who is the nail and who is the hammer.
I just hope these people stop poking the bear that is the U.S. and go home.I don't want to see a stupid movie be the spark that lights this keg.
It's simple start rioting and in the end you get the worst of it.These riots accomplish nothing,except more anger and risk of more violence.It would
have been so much more meaningful if they somehow protested peacefully. They are asking for trouble.
edit on 15-9-2012 by KaiserSouszay
because: (no reason given)
This kind of thing seems to be increasing all over the western world.
A friend of mine who is originally from Denmark told me that there are violent clashes regularly in his hometown between local Muslims and the police,
it just never gets reported.
But that is what concerns me, we seem to be hearing more and more about this, is it because the media deems it as higher priority to report
troublesome Muslim behavior? Or are we actually looking at a real and serious growing problem?
As far as I'm concerned this problem started years ago when liberal immigration policies allowed Muslims to move to western countries, it is naive to
think that devout Muslim people will integrate themselves into western societies. And we can see that the majority do not, but they have no problems
reaping the benefits of western culture whilst at the same time condemning it, engaging in violent demonstrations, issuing death threats to and even
killing westerners who speak out against Islam. If western societies were as intolerant as some of these Muslims are they'd have killed all the
vociferous Islamists and sent the rest back to where they came from.
People who say this is a small minority who cause the trouble and is not reflective of the opinions of the majority of Muslims need to get their heads
out of the sand. Modern Islamic ideology is not one of tolerance and coexistence, ask a Muslim and they will tell you that very fact, plus the
evidence is there for everyone to see. We never see or hear Muslim leaders condemning the violent actions of this 'minority' do we?
It's all fine to look at this retrospectively, but what is going to happen? You cannot simply remove troublesome people from your country and send
them back to wherever they came from. Plus how do you prevent people with extreme religious views from immigrating to your country in the first place?
Either way, I cannot see there being a positive outcome regarding this subject in the future and I predict more and more of this to come.
edit on 15-9-2012 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)
My issue is with moderate Muslims , what is there real agenda ? We don't see them speaking out condemning the actions of the extremist Muslims . If
it were Christians , Jews ,Sikhs , budists protesting with signs saying " behead all the radical Muslims " there would be repercussions from all
religios leaders and government !! I think protesters who display signs of this type should be considered death threats and a cumpulsory 10 year jail
term and deportation should be imposed !!
Many people assume that Islam is a religion of peace corrupted by a misguided minority.
In fact Muhammad authorized the assassination of people who criticized Islam, according to the first biography on his life written by a devout Muslim
in 768 AD.
• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children.
The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to
Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.
• He also had a propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad
was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he
was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.
Sadly, the violent Muslims are the ones emulating its founding prophet in both spirit and actions.
edit on 15-9-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)
But did he really exist?
Did Muhammad Exist? - Robert Spencer lays out his argument that maybe he didn't exist
Not likely. This religion was created to spread an Empire and is very repressive. I don't call this even a religion, for its theocracy.
That video is nothing, is a minor Monty Python parady look at their religion, we got Zeitgeit. They should have got some heavy duty stuff too, and
its not illegal to make any video like this.
So what the hell is going on?
This light weight video has caused them to reveal what they're really like, dangerous oppressive fascist people who follow the orders of their
IMAM's who are like kings, and so not even close to adults.
And manipulated ones, yes, but they could refuse to follow bad orders, but they actually mostly or half ass believe this stuff.
This is what they follow, and obey without question. And that is very frightening.
No Christians do not do that. Many prefer to interpret the metaphors on their own and leave corrupt Church's and most don't like the authority
structure when they're in them and the Priests/Ministers have lots of people come to them and speak up, I spoke to an Anglican minister, he was a
really cool professor and wanted back to his job at the university, and alligned with the Catholic congretation. People are always speaking their
mind to them behind the scenes. And some of them, not all, try to convince people to stay and change the sinking ship, not bail. That is the behind
the scenes in Churches.
Not this, and following orders.
Imam says 6 -7 year old girls can look sexy, even to their own fathers, so cover them up
Letting men sodomize your anus for Jihad is OK in new Sunni Wahabi fatwa - Shia Imam reads
The IMAM's have incredible powers and they follow orders instead of calling them lunatics and walking away.
So these protests, or this violent unrest around the embassy's must have been ordered by the IMAM's!
I doesn't stop to amaze me that people still doesn't get it, a Muslim that goes into any country to better themselves and run away from the
religious oppression of Islam laws are peaceful people that abide by the laws of the country they take as their own
But The truth is that the majority of Islamic followers that invade countries are not there for peaceful reasons, they are instigators, that are
doing what their religion's laws tells them to do, invade conquer and decimate and kill anything that doesn't go with their own believes
That is the danger that every country that is not Arab is facing right now, is more infiltration of radical Islam than peaceful Muslim believers
looking for a better way of life
The first group you will find them everywhere that is religious instigated violence and protest and riots like the ones going on right now, they
are trying to change the laws of the hostess countries to their own agenda, the second group doesn't bother with the crap that will endanger
their chances to their lives and well being
So to me anybody that is in a foreign country protesting right now about this film are the real enemies of the country they are instigating violence,
those should be gathered up and send them back to their country of origin, they are not there to be peaceful at all, they are invaders on radical
agendas and as usual they use their young ones to pursue their radical and dirty means.
Shame on them.
edit on 15-9-2012 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by borntowatch
Isnt it funny, everyone bitchin about muslims not respecting Sydney or something.
The movie maker is the cause of the problem, but thats not the issue here.
Blame the muslims thats easiest, its ridiculous.
Is this comment for real?Of course the Muslims are to blame for this,how can you blame
someone else for your actions.Your PC attitude disgusts me.
I'm so glad that somehow, the Muslims watched this video. We're getting a look at what kind of childishness, fascism and zombiness (follow orders
even really bad and oppressive ones from IMAMs, and yes I call that being a zombi, sheep). We need programs to deprogram this massive mind control.
And yet.....boy would that be abused so of course, scratch that.
So this video is giving us a real look at ISLAM, and I'm glad we're getting it, as long as we stand up and shout Hell No to any repressive laws our
leaders try to spin out of this.
For example, why is the filmmaker being questioned by authorities. You need probable cause of a real crime taking place to question anyone, and its
not illegal to make this video?
So Shout Hell No!
Freedom of Speech and upholding the constitution does not mean merely defending those everyone likes and agrees with, it means willing to die Serve
and Protect for anyone being muzzled unduly.
edit on 15-9-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
I see the Mods have decided that the thread( title)that refered to the 'film' as being the cause of the 'unrest' has been merged with this thread,
whose title does not mention the film in the title, probably for good reasons, but it remains a major part of the MSM storyline.
Supposedly, this film is the only reason these people have to be angry with us. WHAT?
They would pick the anniversary of 911 as their jumping off point. I know this...so the intelligence community would know this also.
To not provide adequate protections, in an unstable country, on a known historically relevent date, is proof that an effort to provoke and give
ample opportunity for violence was implemented purposefully, and has went off without a hitch so far.
What are the real reasons for the middle east acting out? Pick one...geez...I bet if you ask Muslims this question, they will not say that it
was some ignorant movie made by the Coptic Church.
Most Muslims are probably furious over drone strikes and Americas arrogance when it comes to foreign policy.
These protesters are the creation of the Obama administration. He enjoys Occupy this and that, and these guys are just taking it to the next logical
That it all I have to say on the subject, but I will watch and learn,
edit on 15-9-2012 by reverandrandy because: enlightenment
It is my opinion that there are two types of Muslims in this world- the true believers and closet apostates of varying levels. The latter keep up the
appearance of moderate belief, but know that they can't officially de-convert as that carries a sentence of death in the Islamic world. They will
never speak out due to fear.
Nobody who has studied history, current events, or even minimally looked into the religion can truly deny that these 'extremists' aren't following
their religion to the letter.
I was once close friends with two Muslims I went to school with. One girl escaped an arranged marriage in Egypt and eloped with a Catholic guy. She
changed not only her last name, but her first name as well, and moved as far from her family as possible. This was out of fear and it wasn't
unjustified on her part. My other friend was incredibly angry at her and told me that the entire local Islamic community was beyond livid about it.
It was implied that if they found her, her family would make certain she ended up in Egypt.
But its soooo much easier to believe it is about religion and not politics... that way everyone hates the people living there and wont look at any
other issue, and will feel perfectly justified taking over all the middle eastern nations that dont jump when western governments say jump...
I could care less about any film done by ignorant people. Its not against Islamic law for others to have opinions who live half way across the
globe.... and our Prophet (saw) faced much opposition with a smile and a kind word to even those who hated Him. I dont know about anyone who cares
less about it...
But everyone is sick of western occupation and western influence in their governments who attempt to steal their resources. Leaving them high and dry
after bombing their countries and removing their governments so that they are left with terrorists funded by the west to have to fight....
the list can go on...
So, While I believe westerners have no respect of anyone but themselves.... I believe everyone gets to have their own opinion and free speech, it
doesnt effect our lives in our countries.....
But I do believe the rest of your opinions should stay the out of the middle east. Its not your resources to steal, not your banks to run and not
your governments to overthrow...(etc., etc.)
and EVERYONE is sick and tired of the west funding the extremists!
But my prayers are with those embassy workers who died and their families. I know what it is like to loose someone I love.
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OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
In my country(Catholic) when Monty Python released 'The Life Of Brian' in the late 70's there was condemnation by the clergy and the film was
banned as blasphemy until '87. Even though it wasn't about Jesus, the film parodied religious dogmatism and upset a few people. That was about as
extreme as you could get with the church in my country, and nowadays it just wouldn't happen.
I often imagine if the MP crew were making films like that nowadays and they decided to poke fun at Islam. A fatwa calling for their executions would
be issued, rioting and killing would erupt across the Islamic world, hundreds of Imams screaming bloody murder and calling for the head of John Cleese
to be delivered on a plate. It would probably start a war.
Only recently we have seen Channel 4 cancel the airing of a documentary about the origins of Islam due to the number of death threats received by its
makers. It is actually a very interesting program and in no way insults Islam, but unfortunately the scumbags have gotten their way again. A sad day
when this kind of thing happens.
It isn't, nothing is. This was done deliberately, and its legal, the video, its the over reaction by the leaders and the Muslims even watching it,
for they wouldn't watch this, it would be against their faith.
But, with this huge thing going on, this huge distraction? What are TPTB really doing?
It just seems you people have no compassion for anothers belief system. I seriously can't believe some of the crap I have seen here over the past few
days.. It is their right to protest, their right to carry signs with what ever they want on them, their right to fight for something they believe
in.. Unfortunetly, most westerners don't believe in anything and in most cases, that includes themselves.
I love what I am seeing.. A group of people standing in arms, defending what they hold close to their hearts.. What do we stand and fight for? Gay
marriage rights and internet trolling our culture is so f**king ridiculous. Just keep bending over to your masters and getting poles shoved up
your behinds.. Freedom of speech or not, we are no better than them. They have a lot more balls than we ever will and we are seeing it right now while
our moderate civilians look on in shock... F**king pussies
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