Muslims protest in Sydney, Australia

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by aaron2209

 

Many people assume that Islam is a religion of peace corrupted by a misguided minority.

In fact Muhammad authorized the assassination of people who criticized Islam, according to the first biography on his life written by a devout Muslim in 768 AD.

• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He also had a propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq

Sadly, the violent Muslims are the ones emulating its founding prophet in both spirit and actions.

edit on 15-9-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

And some would be able to pull the same kind of violent rhetoric from the Bible. The point is that moderate Muslims do not follow these archaic beliefs, just as many Christians don't agree with taking slaves, stoning people, polygamy or selling their daughters.

You can't selectively choose to quote things about one religion and make the claim that everyone who follows that religion is the same, just as we can't do that about Christians.

On the OP, I am as equally concerned about the response this generates from people who are already ignorant enough to think that his is ALL Muslims.

This is no longer just about people other countries protesting, when it comes to our shores we have to think about the response others might have to it. In the UK we have the complete ignorance of the BNP and EDL, so I'm kind of expecting that the moment we have a protest like this here those thugs will be out there too, causing more violence.

It's also interesting to discuss where freedom of speech begins and ends. I see some here condemning the signs (and in my opinion, rightly so) but if we argue that people have the freedom to insult a religion (which we do) isn't it hypocritical to then argue against someone holding a sign that we disagree with?

Where does freedom end and incitement begin? If you can argue that the sign being held up is incitement, then isn't the video that started all of this also incitement?

Freedom of expression is vital, but I think there does need to be some responsibility. If something is deemed to be deliberately inciting then it should be banned. Calling for the murder of others should be illegal.

What are Americans opinions on that? Would you agree that calling for someone to be killed is not freedom of speech or opinion, or would you defend this sign under the banner of freedom of speech?

Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by ollncasino
many people assume that Islam is a religion of peace corrupted by a misguided minority.

I've never assumed anything about any religion. The tiny bit of knowledge I have about all religions is that they all have their archaic ideologies and mantra and when taken literally are quite barbaric.

I had just hoped, possibly naively, that we were progressing.

Christianity has always been progressing and some people choose to say not. If you claim that we're killers, the message from Father has been lost upon you.
We put down the war clubs, for new and advance types, such as the pen..

Make the choice please.Earthly will or Eternal will.
We all struggle with "sins". Every single one of US

Originally posted by aaron2209

How disgusting

I have no other words.....

That is effing sick.

There's your next generation of Australian...

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
Well if it offends them then don't watch it, its as simple as that.

You would think so. But I saw a news report just now where many protesters were asked if they'd seen the movie. Not a single one said yes.

But they'll cut your head of for it!! Oh boy!

What will happen now is a lot of Australians will be riled up about this, and it will create even more tension between the muslim population and everyone else. And they will cry foul as they have before, and we'll be the ones told to shut up about it, we'll be the ones to face new restrictions, and we'll be the ones holding the lubricant as we ask "How far?"

Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by cartenz
When we deny any group the right to protest; we are denying ourselves accountability to government.

I agree but for me it's that anger towards non-muslims that is the sticking point. As shown above, that sign destroys any legitimacy this protest may have had.

Hey I know a trick.. It goes like this -

"That sign is shopped, I know it. I'm sure I've seen that kid in a movie. I am positive he is an actor. He's obviously an agent provocateur. Only a blind person cannot see this is a false flag. If you fall for this I have a bridge to sell you."

- Just wait, someone is bound to claim it at some point. And it makes the world seem all that much safer, knowing it's all a big fat lie..

Originally posted by aaron2209
This whole stupid ordeal has played right into the hands of the idiots that made the film.

It's damn sad!

Yes it did! It did perfectly.

And not because the west is an evil god ignoring den of whores and infidel... but because for some reason Islam is just that precious.

Almost like throwing matches at pyromaniacs... you can't blame the match maker for what idiots do with the flame.

Posted the following in this thread regarding the same topic.

The film was made to stir up fundamentalist US Christian crazies and some members of the Egyptian Coptic dispora, clearly meant to explode on the internet around September 11 to ruin Obamas chances at reelection and to destabilize the new Egyptian democracy.
www.guardian.co.uk...

Have you seen the video that caused all of this?



Waste of time and energy watching it let alone protesting it IMO.

I think the actual Australian Muslims today are experiencing what I was experiencing when I turned on the T.V and saw the Cronulla riots in 2005 - shame by association.

The last thing the world needs is more ignorance. The people protesting may be citizens born in Aus for all we know. Any sweeping generalization just adds to the level of ignorance already being displayed, and makes an unnecessary scapegoat out of something.

It looks to me like any protest that turns violent, is a result of brain dead people whose ignorance regarding the people directly responsible for the situation they are protesting about, completely alludes them.

Not all Muslims are like this. What we're seeing is extremist behaviour.
Example: My mother is a Christian, and she hates the Westboro Baptist Church and what they do. Hence, not all Christians act in the way as the Christian extremist Westboro Baptist Church does.

Originally posted by kudegras
We take these people from war torn countries and give them a second chance, and within a few years they start trying to change our views to views of their own.
Now in Sydney they are protesting over an American made film. WTF? To see children carrying banners to behead any that dont agree with their fundamentalist narrow world view makes me sick.
I say send them back, back to their own lands where they dont have to put up with our Western ways they seem so determined to tear down.
Those that want to assimilate and live as Aussies are welcome and those that want to change our ways can take a hike, we dont want and dont need their crap.
Julia take a stand, before one of these morons actually does behead an Australian citizen for holding an opposing view.

What a bigoted and racist view this is. Really. Send them back simply for this?



We need to import MORE of these kind souls. The future generations of Australia demand that we import/brew our own form of drop-hat violent thugs. And you want to send them home?

How dare you !!!!



(j.k)

Originally posted by munkey66
took a couple of days for the protest to take place, wouldn't have been hard to have a few agent provocateurs make their way in and make the situation a little worse than it should have been.
problem, reaction, solution. and repeat.

Oh My GOD. I was only kidding about this being reiterated in this thread.

I'm saddened by the realisation. Obviously you are not aware of how ferocious the islamic communities in Australia can be.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Where does freedom end and incitement begin? If you can argue that the sign being held up is incitement, then isn't the video that started all of this also incitement?

People can argue that but they would be wrong. In the USA you can say anything or hold up any sign, it does not matter. Where Freedom of Speech ends is when you take what was said or displayed on the sign and Act on it. This is no longer free speech but actions. You can disagree with the sign all you want. The Muslims can disagree with the movie all they want. It (the movie) did not incite those hateful actions. People need to take personal responsibility for their actions, no matter what is being said or shown in a movie.

This is the great lesson most Americans have learned over the years. This is how we can live with people saying all manner of things and it does not bother us, we just shrug it off. Proof most Americans are more grown-up than these extremist Muslims IMO.

Do you see anarchy in the USA? No. Even when everything is said about anyone all the time.

Originally posted by aaron2209
It is testing my tolerance and opinions on Islam when I see signs like "Behead all those who insult the prophet" being carried through Sydney CBD.

The idiots are proving the makers of that film to be correct about Islam.
If the protestors behaved in a civilized manner, it would make the film
makers be the ones that looked stupid. But as it is ....

Originally posted by munkey66
I mentioned already that being a Muslim is a choice .......

Then why is it against the law in Muslim countries to leave Islam?
Why is that Christian pastor on death row because he supposedly 'left Islam'?
Escaping Islam is a dangerous thing for those brave enough to try ....

I dislike any extremists be they religious or political and I am sickened and angry about these protests in my country.

These people are extremists and seize any excuse to protest. They are dangerous and want to run our country their way. They are like a plague of locusts.

Having said that...NOT all Muslims are extremists. Many of them would be appalled at their fellow man behaving this way in the name of Allah.

We need to be even more alert.

I think there is more trouble looming for the whole world now.

Just my 20 cents worth
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by munkey66
I mentioned already that being a Muslim is a choice .......

Then why is it against the law in Muslim countries to leave Islam?
Why is that Christian pastor on death row because he supposedly 'left Islam'?
Escaping Islam is a dangerous thing for those brave enough to try ....

Thank you for clearing it up for me.
Here I was thinking I was in Australia where Muslims can and do leave the religion and people convert to the religion as well.
But we can generalize and say all Muslims are from over seas and have no right to be here, after all, all the Christians here in Australia have been here from the dream time havn't they?
Little bit of history for you, Muslims where trading with Aboriginals before White Europeans arrived in Australia

Between 1860 and the 1890s a number of Central Asians came to Australia to work as "Afghan" camel drivers

The first mosque in Australia was built in 1861 at Marree in South Australia. The Great Mosque of Adelaide was built in 1888 by the descendants of the Afghan cameleers

During the 1870s, Muslim Malay divers were recruited through an agreement with the Dutch to work on Western Australian and Northern Territory pearling grounds. By 1875, there were 1800 Malay divers working in Western Australia. Most returned to their home countries.

1967 and 1971, approximately 10,000 Turks settled in Australia under an agreement between Australia and Turkey.

source

These Muslim immigrants have a longer Australian history possibly than those posting on this forum claiming to be Australian.

Why is beheading worse than shooting someone? You have the electric chair in the United States for gods sake...

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
In light of the events of this week it seems that the entire Muslim world has gone even more insane than normal and its all because of a movie that they find "offensive". Well if it offends them then don't watch it, its as simple as that. However these fanatics won't ignore it because they look for any excuse they can find to inflict and spread their hatred and violence.

I don't care wether they're extreme or not ... it's their choice.

What I care about, is that our own governments are "importing" this garbage. Everywhere in the west, it's like it's a hot import good ... just a few days ago, there was an african muslim woman, dressed all in black and with her veils down ... that walked in the "subway" station in Stockholm sweden. Inciting insults and hatred against the Swedish people who took her in. Actually, "screming" it over the crowd ... right into their face.

First, we should remove our leaders ... then we should "send this lot home", to their "holy land". And if the Jewish population can't live there ... then we should take the jews back home here with us. At least the jews are intelligent ... can't say the same about this lot.

Pardon my french ...

Originally posted by aaron2209

How disgusting

I have no other words.....

I don't know any Muslim like this.

ARE you generalizing on all Muslims ?

A kid ?

Any body could give him those things , maybe he couldn't even read and maybe he can not understand

I'm sick of us Aussies being dragged into a problem we didn't start.

The tool who made this movie should be locked up.

Innocent people have died because of this movie, I don't care if you're team Islam or team Jesus (I'm team Yoda personally) when your creation harms another human being, you should be held accountable (that's right, Mr Oppenheimer).

The refugees are flooding here because they fear for their lives; if these boat people seem extreme then it must be hell wherever they came from. Their beliefs come from the true extremists who force it upon them, and that's all they know. What we should be doing is kicking these fanatic leaders a$$es, so that the citizens of these nations can live in peace and not have to flee their own country.The MSM tell us that's what we are doing in Afghanistan, but IMHO it's just a ruse to hide the U.S strategic way point, to hold off china in the future (via missile silos), and to pilliage Afghanistan of it's trillion dollar mineral deposits.

Isnt it funny, everyone bitchin about muslims not respecting Sydney or something.
The movie maker is the cause of the problem, but thats not the issue here.
Blame the muslims thats easiest, its ridiculous.

Originally posted by borntowatch
Isnt it funny, everyone bitchin about muslims not respecting Sydney or something.
The movie maker is the cause of the problem, but thats not the issue here.
Blame the muslims thats easiest, its ridiculous.

No sale.
It's a an obscure movie trailer made by biggot idiots.So now we should riot, burn embassies and murder people. The muslims are to blame.Not all muslims,just the extremist violent muslim idiots.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
If they don't like it,they shouldn't watch it.Or they should peacefully protest,no excuse for violence of any kind.
It's my belief that these protests were used as cover for certain terrorsit groups to coordinate attacks on western targets.Now the hatred of the West is simply bubbling out in emotional fashion.