Israel wins out...I must applaud the effort

See: www.abovetopsecret.com...

March: www.haaretz.com...

So...we lost. I don't really have more to say. I have reading to do for a class and I'm a little disheartened at the turn of events.

So the base ignorance and ugliness of mankind was perfectly manipulated to promote the beating of animosity on the drum of separation. Israel and the Mossad deserve a round of applause. This was well orchestrated and executed.

We are pitiful, in every right. Manipulation is too easy.

Have a good day, everyone.

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If you are right something has to happen here in the US. I am nervous about this.

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This is terrible. There's no point in laying blame, all we can do is assist in damage control. But there's too much damage already. Absolutely terrible. I just read a thread where someone was denying the extensive role of religion in all the wars in history (again, not pointing fingers)....what about this? When did religion become such a crux for destruction? When did that become the point of religion? This is insanity.

I don't know what else to say. Is there any hope at all? Any speculation on where this will lead?

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Wait, the article speculates about this past summer, up to August, and that period of time is already in the past. I didn't know we were at war with Iran.

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It provides more ammo. You think they'll forget about this? No, they will remember it for future reference. It will be more tinder for the war fires of those who wish to harm us. And really, I don't blame them. This is despicable.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
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Wait, the article speculates about this past summer, up to August, and that period of time is already in the past. I didn't know we were at war with Iran.

Closer to the election is better. That is the main point. It's still before November. What I don't get is that shouldn't Israel want Romney to win? If this is them, then why make it harder to vote Obama out?

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Video made published on youtube July 1st...suspiciously translated and sent to Egyptian media outlets in the past couple of weeks.

Time frames are not EXACT, but they are damn close.

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This "set up" is "proof" that Obama's foreign policy in the middle east has collapsed in on itself. Promoting the liberation of these states from rogue rulers and harsh regimes have freed a beast that the administration and the world was unprepared to handle.

In otherwords: this makes Obama's foreign policy look brittle and dangerous. 45-love, Israel.

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Is it enough to cause some serious damage, and spark an escalation to another, bigger war? More specifically, based on the information we have, is it likely to do so?

Yep. How dare we snub our masters?

Here's the really sad part, though....Israel relies on the financial benevolence of the United States in order to exist. Each taxpayer pays approximately $23, 240 to support this warmongering welfare state.

wiki.answers.com...

It really seems more like blackmail and extortion to me. Even back in 1997, they received $5.5 billion dollars of our money (foreign aid, grants and guaranteed loans). ifamericansknew.org...

I suppose if we don't kow tow to their every demand, they will cause a whole lot of damage. Like I said, blackmail and extortion. This is obscene. We are held hostage by a warmongering state that really doesn't give a damn about us, and they will tantrum and blood will be spilled unless we do a heck of a lot of bowing down and ass kissing.

I think we should just cut them off, cold turkey, and give them a boot in the butt. Let them do whatever they want, because without us and our generous financial support, they will shrivel up and blow away in the desert.

I cannot applaud their efforts, as I do not applaud children who throw fits in the store because they don't get what they demand when they demand it.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, though, OP Most Americans are terrified to look the truth in the eye, they would rather put all the blame on Muslims.

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A seed planted and given enough care will blossom into a strong and powerful Oak.

The soil was fertilized, the seed planted, the ground watered, and sunlight directed.

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So how long until SHTF? Any ideas of what will happen?

I also think that those attacks are orchestrated and it is not a coincidence, but suppose it is Israeli doing - how it is going to aid Israel in its attack on Iran?
There are no attacks on Western targets in Iran. And it does not show that soft hand is worse then aggresive approach - see Lybia. Obama may loose some points to Romney due to this mess - this is the only "positive" thing to those who push for war with Iran that i can see but this will be worth something only after/if Romney wins and Is it big enough to impact the result of the elections that much?
Not to mention that if Israel wanted to drag US into the war with Iran it would not need anything besides direct attack on Iran. Any Iranian retaliation will cause the need to protect vital US interests in the region.
I think you are too locked on a certain solution and do not want to look for much more probable alternatives. How about non-democratic states in the region that want to ensure West does not support Arab spring movements anymore?

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The links you post are quite the rabbit hole.

Romney is friends with bibi nutty yahoo.
He has a former israeli military intelligence officer as his policy officer.
The article talking about dragging the usa into a fight around election time.
And now this video.

It reads like a bad spy film. And we know who's to blame.
No wonder Obama doesn't want to deal with Israel.

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Let me say, i really like your input and angle. You were one of the first, to point out that bigger things are at play here, while the "crisis" was still unfolding and the discussions still revolved around who or what is responsible.

This "set up" is "proof" that Obama's foreign policy in the middle east has collapsed in on itself. Promoting the liberation of these states from rogue rulers and harsh regimes have freed a beast that the administration and the world was unprepared to handle.

I believe the opposite is true, the "freeing of the beast" was exactly what was planned to happen and Obama or his Administrations role was to play the democracy-valued leader, claiming to spread peace by negotiations and "though" diplomatic solutions.
I wrote this thread today to demonstrate why i believe the goal was never to "liberate" the middle east, but to further destabilize it, after the Bush years. A plan for a long time in the making and working as intended.

I hope posting my thread here is with your consent, if not let me know and i'll remove it.

The Zionists are the owner,share holder of most of the media in the world ,including movie companies,music industry,news,porn,internet,magazines,publications,TV channels,etc etc (not all of it but mostly)...so it is obvious they can make up any scenario and feed it to the mass in a very large scale...they also own most large corporations and banks all around the world,that's why most governments are afraid and unable to confront them.they buy the politicians (including the Americans) and make them their puppets so they fulfill every master's need, ..I am sure they don't need the pity cash coming from the US,that's just the coverup to portray them as needy and helpless ,just the way they like.....they are not religious at all they do not have certain nationality and they don't care about any country or religion whatsoever...all they care is land money and power..Right now they are just using Israel as a HOST,as they did with other countries throughout the history.....so don't be surprise if you see Israel and it's government to start a war with Islam and consequently vanish some day soon.but that's not going to be the end for the Zionists,oh no,,they will be transformed in to something cool and yummy so they can start fresh again....but for how long this endless parade will go on?!... for as long as there are greedy immoral people living in this earth.god knows maybe for ever!

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Just a small point.

Here's the really sad part, though....Israel relies on the financial benevolence of the United States in order to exist. Each taxpayer pays approximately $23, 240 to support this warmongering welfare state.

wiki.answers.com...

It really seems more like blackmail and extortion to me. Even back in 1997, they received $5.5 billion dollars of our money (foreign aid, grants and guaranteed loans). ifamericansknew.org...

That $23,240 figure? That represents the amount of money we have given them in the last 63 years. We currently give them about $3 billion dollars a year or about 1/5 of our total foreign aid budget. It's not the huge deal your source led you to believe. It's a little under $10 a citizen each year. Besides, things have changed over the last 8 years.

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having recently been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel. (Emphasis added)

So, we're sending more money to a Muslim country than we are to Israel.

Originally posted by charles1952 So, we're sending more money to a Muslim country than we are to Israel.

Chuck

You have to keep up with current events , if you want to play in the Big Leagues.

The US was at war, well a raping really, with Iraq, and bombed the crap outta them.

The money to them, is blood money, used to re-build a innocent country.

Remember, NO Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Thanks for playing.

Israel is still the largestLeech on the American Dime.

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Hello,

So the base ignorance and ugliness of mankind was perfectly manipulated to promote the beating of animosity on the drum of separation. Israel and the Mossad deserve a round of applause. This was well orchestrated and executed.

Why do you assume that it was the work of Mossad and Israel? If the base to your theory is that article, wouldn't that mean that one of the many conspiracy articles in the West could be evidence of political manipulation? It's not like we have a lack of those with characters like Alex Jones (to name an example).

Just because it is plausible, and there is a margin of possibility, doesn't mean they did it, in my opinion. We should, as an exercise of investigation and unbiased analysis, look for other possible suspects.

I'm not going to say that this is a known fact, or that I've evidence for this. I will only make this example to show that it isn't all that simple, and that a lot of other possibilities can be investigated:

The main focus of Iran military power is in what is called Asymmetric Warfare.

Brief explanation from that source:

"Asymmetric warfare" can describe a conflict in which the resources of two belligerents differ in essence and in the struggle, interact and attempt to exploit each other's characteristic weaknesses. Such struggles often involve strategies and tactics of unconventional warfare, the weaker combatants attempting to use strategy to offset deficiencies in quantity or quality. Such strategies may not necessarily be militarized.

Israel might be a very bad boy when it comes to waiting and not-being trigger happy. But it isn't Israel who is using asymmetric warfare. It's actually the other side of the coin.

Iran hasn't been in any direct confrontation in decades, but they have been funding several terrorist groups, and stating very clearly that they support both their objectives and the way they fight.

Recently, when there was a lot of talk about a possible closure of the Strait of Hormuz, Iran stated they would use asymmetric warfare tactics to counter the West opposition. Like, for instance, the use of naval mines. This was such a serious claim that one of the types of ships being deployed in the Gulf are Minesweepers.

Asymmetric warfare also works with propaganda, guerrilla warfare and that sort of thing.

In my opinion, it's not hard to imagine an extremist group, affiliated with any of the countries who oppose Israel and the West, to fund and organize these events.

The speed at which it has spread to other countries, the nature of the attacks - focusing on american facilities, embassies and franchises - and the fact it was picked up touching a very sensitive nerve for the muslims, makes me think it's very well plausible that an extremist group is behind all this.

The damage being done to both U.S. foreign policy and to U.S. infrastructures is immense, and it continues to grow. The consequences of this don't actually play in favor of Israel, because this is actually steering away the discussion about Iran's nuclear program.

Which, funny that I mention it, a new IAEA report came out, where you can read:

The IAEA Board of Governors concluded its third meeting of the year on 14 September 2012 after discussing several key issues and adopting a resolution urging Iran to cooperate with the Agency.

The Board also discussed the implementation of safeguards in Syria and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Source (IAEA)

With the current discussion about Iran's possible nuclear intentions, the very near UN meeting, and other peripheral subjects, isn't it also plausible to assume this was made on purpose, to ignite problems where they didn't exist, just to mask other events?

In all fairness, this noise that we are hearing around the protests is against Israel interest, not in favor. It's in the best interest of Israel that everyone discusses and talks about Iran, and not these current events.

Not only that, but these events seem to be uniting muslims across the World. I believe that is also not in the best interest of Israel.

In order to find the person responsible for an act, you must first elaborate on their motives, so you can narrow down your suspects, right?

The first big question we need to ask is: who is getting the best of this situation?

- Not Obama nor Romney, since both campaigns got interrupted by this perfect political storm;

- Not Israel, because their biggest concern is Iran, and that has lost a lot of media attention;

- Not the West, since all these events are destroying any efforts of a positive foreign policy.

...who?

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It doesn't matter who got interrupted. Now, it's a race to who will recover and save face first. Whoever offers what citizens and politicians alike deem to be the best foreign policy, will win the first round in the new battle of debates that will probably arise because of this event.

Neither benefits from this yet, but one of them will.