reply to post by InTheShadows
Is it something that needs to be questioned or am I making too much of it?
Both. Everything in our reality needs to be questioned. But yeah, I do think you are making too much out of this. OWS, at the start, was merely a
loose collection of people with various complaints and issues, there was no real structure, no single voice. As time went on, and it failed to do
anything tangible, it became a product.
ows, 99%, these are catch phrases.
As well.... the core of the people aren't against "capitalism". Yes, there are marxist and communist groups that latched onto the movement. The
same can be said for some of the groups that attempted to affiliate themselves with the Tea Party.
The original issue that brought these people together was the unfair system to which we are shackled. It's not anti capitalist at all. Demanding,
or expecting, that the bankers and movers and shakers be held accountable to the same laws as we are just makes sense.
Here's a good example of what I think is wrong, and why I would have supported OWS. I guess in a way I did, but it's hard to narrow that down with
so many separate voices yelling about different issues.
Anyways...... Tommy Chong. Yes, that Tommy Chong. The US justice department entrapped his company, that was making and selling water pipes (which
are legal in all but a few states) over the course of a few months and convinced them to ship some pipes to I believe Pennsylvania, where the sale of
"paraphernalia" is illegal. They diverted resources and man power, I think the total was 200+ agents involved? Tommy Chong went to jail for 9
months for owning a company that sold a legal product, but his employee shipped it to the wrong state.
How many of the bankers who, through fraud, destroyed the world economy, have gone to jail.... None? One?
I'm not about redistribution of wealth. I'm not looking for a hand out. I just expect the laws to apply to everyone equally regardless of their
current bank balance. Sadly, the system doesn't work that way.
The top 5% of wealthy people in the US have seen their tax rates go down, tax breaks come along, and IRS audits all but disappear. Instead, the
bottom 95% pay higher taxes, and have enjoyed a massive increase in IRS audits.
If I commit fraud and get caught, i go to jail. If I steal 100$ I go to jail. If a banker, or a corporate executive, steals a few million?
Look at the bank bailouts for example, something the majority of Americans did not support. American tax dollars when straight to the banks, to cover
their losses and risk investments built on a house of cards that relies on fraud on a massive scale. The deal was, you, the US tax payer foot the
bill, so the banks could ease lending restrictions and help the economy to get back on it's feet.
Instead, the banks gave their executives massive bonuses, and simply refused to end lending restrictions. Whats more, they refuse to pay the bailout
back, and thanks to your completely un-corruptible government, no one actually knows where all these bailouts went!
How can this not make you a little angry. The US infrastructure is failing, cities are falling apart, some places have gone back to unpaved roads,
some places have 1, ONE police car for the entire area. But the banks? Oh, you bet your butt they are doing just fine, those that didn't completely
fail based on their fraudulent activities.
Elements of OWS attempted to address these issues, but through media manipulation, and the fragmented nature of the group, most of this was lost in
At this point, talking about OWS is beating a dead horse. I'm interested to see why you dragged this back out of the trash at this point. Of course
people are trying to capitalize on it.
But here's the thing, this group decided to align itself under the OWS banner, so attempting to trademark the term makes sense for a few reasons.
No movement can survive without funds, so if they are able to sell t-shirts or what not, good on them, hopefully the money taken in will be put to
good use lobbying government. As well, once a slogan or logo is trademarked, people can't use it willy nilly. don't think for a second that from
day one elements haven't been trying to paint OWS in a negative light.
All you need do is search this site for OWS threads, you'll see what I'm talking about.
200,000 people rally to fight the unfair and unjust business practices taking place. 4 people trash a star bucks. Who do you hear about? 4 people
trashing a star bucks.