Navy Ships and Chinese Vessels Reported Off Coast of SF - developing story

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posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Number of ships does not matter at all, the chinese boast a huge number of outdated and dusted off vessels purchased from a number or different sources, a percentage actually constructed by China are models relevant to the last twenty years and so fairly capable by modern standards. But the real crux of the Chinese navy is an almost medieval communications and intel network compared to the multi-billion dollar space operations funded by the U.S. Navy and her funding tax payers. Not saying they are incapable but China's strategy and doctrine lie in sub warfare, and only a small percentage of their sub arsenal are subs the united states would consider 'Advanced", as well as a number of intelligently designed Anti-ship missiles and guidance systems. All in all if the Chinese navy were to confront the United States the chinese would be taking out Otto Kretschmer's playbook from ww2. Guerrilla sub tactics and sneak attacks as well choking the hell out of key shipping lanes worldwide. Either way they are still dangerous but in no way capable of head to head operations against our fleet in any situation IMO.




posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Trillium

Originally posted by bigyin
Wonder if there will be another 'missile' like last year.

That was cool.


Just maybe this so call missile test was not really a test

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Well well isn't that the thing ..... last time we discussed a sighting of a missile off west coast USA there was a Chinese Sub in the area.

We were told that time there was no missile.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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If it's true it's turning out to be a really bad day...



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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Pr Camelot = Disinfo

Nuff said.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Chinese subs? My friend asked me along in a kind of waking mental projection RV type thing, and I saw a half submerged sub, he said he had counted many Chinese subs off the coast of North America. Any number of things come to mind. It could range from doing something offensive or defensive, but it could also be studying radiation and the amount of gases leaked out during all the earthquakes going on. This could be scientific research.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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My friend asked me along in a kind of waking mental projection RV type thing, and I saw a half submerged sub


Shouldn't this type of stuff have to be in the fantasy type forums...



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Why would part of the Chinese navy be off the coast of SF when they've just concluded war games in the South China seas and now are concerned with Japan's claim on some disputed islands? A lot of the Chinese surface ships are diesel and would need support vessels to operate that far from their home port. Japan is not the only country dealing with Chinese influence and include countries such as Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan and even India. Why leave a very large hotspot like the South China sea to flex its muscle off the coast of the U.S. without bases nearby or a valid resupply source?

If this story was true (and I don't believe it is) it would be a costly and a weak endeavor by the Chinese navy plus give the U.S. Navy an opportunity to track and monitor Chinese's naval tactics and resupply efforts. You can bet that surface and subsurface resources would be tracking a Chinese fleet (no mater how small) that close to U.S. shores. Not to mention aircraft flybys and reconnaissance.

Why divide a portion of your fleet when an Asian dispute is and has been flaring up for months?

I call this bad or false reporting.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Could we get this to the hoax bin quickly? Just about gave me a heartattack and my BP is now pumping out my eardrums!

I have my family in that area, my closest family...



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Due to the "source" of this story and the fact there are ZERO corroborating sources, this thread will remain in the HOAX Forum until such time as it's been verified by a credible source.

Springer...



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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There ARE Chinese warships entering SF Bay as we speak in a sneak attack. They launch 2650 tons of weaponry per year into Oakland. www.bts.gov... land/html/table_02.html

Oh, these are economic weapons. They are delivered to your WalMart, where you detonate them yourself.
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posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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I'll bet a Chinese ship is always around monitoring the US Navy. This has been done for so many years that the spy vessels don't even bother to hide their communication equipment.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Project camelot can be grouped with beforeitsnews...Absolute drivel from the minds of morons that have no sense of decency, the inability to distinguish fact from fiction, and the incessant need to have attention on them..They all need a 7 iron to the skull



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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That dolphin guy that she interviewed a couple years back looks exactly like a man i was in boot camp with.
I could pick him out of a line up no problem. He was also an extra in the movie dazed and confused.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by POPtheKlEEN89
 

Thanks for your response. That's an excellent and frank summary of the relative strengths and capabilities of the two navies under discussion.
No arguments from me on that score.

I was merely responding to a member who claimed that "the Chinese do not have a Navy". A statement like that bothers me because some members who are not informed on the subject could believe it, so I quoted a fairly reliable source for ship numbers and relative size/ranking of the two navies purely to show that it wasn't just my opinion, but well known and supportable.

When I said the:

...Chinese Navy is a major force and not to be taken lightly, especially in regions near their own territory.
I meant just that: it is, by world standards, a major force. Defeating it would not be a cakewalk, and within their own regions few (if any) nations would dare to try. But against the US Navy?

If the Chinese leadership ever takes on the US Navy with their own, then the statement "the Chinese do not have a Navy" would no longer be fiction.

Best regards,
~Mike

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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I duuno if this is significant but a friend of mine who lives in Prescott, Arizona posted this picture on their FB page stating that is was taken on Thursday morning on way to work.




To me it could be a missile launch.

I have asked for more info about the direction the camera is pointing, time taken etc
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posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by JustMike

Amphibious Assault Craft: 233


I read an article few days ago that said they are ramping this up x10 fold.



posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Where I work we get approximately 12 containers a day from China,I'm pretty sure they had to be shipped in,no mystery here



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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CHINESE FRIGATE IN SF HARBOR Monday, 01 October 2012 16:22 Written by Kerry Cassidy I have been sent some pictures of officers and crew from what appears to be the Chinese Navy apparently sight seeing in San Francisco today... by a source.

The fact is there is now a frigate (type of ship pictured below) and according to this source it entered "unescorted into San Francisco" and was seen from the Bay Bridge. They referred to this particular type of ship as a "war ship" and the source, on this info, is an ex-army special forces guy.

Later he took some photos of the officers and crew in San Francisco apparently sight seeing.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with my report last week about Chinese vessels in the area working with the US Navy on some undisclosed operation, (lol), but still I thought it responsible to report this added verification to what my original sources told me. The question is what they are doing. Where there's a frigate there is also a Fleet, or so I am told. Assuming the "fleet" are out in international waters one still might wonder what they are doing here. Other than sight seeing I mean.





posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 04:04 AM
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More info on this particular ship

Type054A Jiangkai Class Missile Frigate - No. 530

Type 054A frigate

Your thread should never have been put in the hoax bin !
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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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OMG Project camelot. Seriously does any one take Camelo as a serious news source?





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