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Originally posted by Intelearthling
Conservative Republicans don't chant propaganda.
As for my reasonong? That is the reason that the world and so-called- Americans wants Bush out!
And plus, I haven't got to give you a reason! I'm an American! I don't need a reason, remember?
Originally posted by Durden
I think I'm just going to sit back and watch this one turn ugly. Here are a few of the answers you're likely to receive:
- Who gives a # about the rest of the world - GO U.S.A.!
- The rest of the world only wants what's worst for the US.
- The rest of the world hates the US, so why should we care about what they think?
Originally posted by sturod84
dood they have books and stuff about chemical combustion and bomb making, im sure even some sites online.
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Originally posted by Intelearthling
The rest of the world is the world beyond our Allies and they don't dictate the policies of the United States. Never have and never will. If they don't like it, tough! What are they going to do about us anyway? Nothing is the answer. A big, fat NOTHING! (But flap them jaws!)
Originally posted by Intelearthling
The only people that says the United States commits atrocities, are the people that hate this nation. That goes for the people within this country that is voting against President Bush.
A vote for Kerry is the display of hatred for the American way of life.
People overseas who wish President Bush to be out of office are the people who know that Kerry is a wimpy, K-O-S-A, yellow-back and they can get away with anything if he was in control!
Originally posted by Durden
Originally posted by Intelearthling
Conservative Republicans don't chant propaganda. The whiny, spineless, good-for-nothing Democrats are the masters of propaganda!
Impressive reasoning there 'intel'earthling.
As for my reasoning? That is the reason that the world and so-called- Americans wants Bush out! The anti- american "Americans" is a better term for Democrats!
Hm...what was the reason again?
And plus, I haven't got to give you a reason! I'm an American! I don't need a reason, remember?
Now you don't need a reason? So you don't think there should be a need for proper reasoning for committing atrocities against another nation?
Originally posted by nanna_of_6
Originally posted by twitchy
Unless we get a paper ballot, I fear it isn't going to matter much who the H*ll you actually vote for. All of the major voting machine manufacturers are outspoken supporters of the GOP and in many cases have already been busted installing software on the machines that wasn't supposed to be there. Our electoral process has been compromised.
Is that the same reason why so many Republican offices are being attacked?
Originally posted by Muaddib
Is that the same reason why so many Republican offices are being attacked?
Is that the same reason why there have been more voter fraud being done by liberals/democrats?
Originally posted by nanna_of_6
Strange,.......... the Republicans don't chant propaganda, isn't that what you said,Intelearthling ,....... that's so then why do we hear "4 more years, 4 more years", if thats not chanting and the other "crap" they spew about John Kerry, being propaganda,........ I don't know what ya'd call it
You republicans can be "so child like", ya'll need to "GROW UP" .
That's RIGHT, we want the SOB GONE, Bush and his hand-pick goons have destroyed the USA's Reputation.
ONE OTHER THING,........... Intelearthling, not ALL Americans think the way you apparently do,.................. Most Americans treat other's ,...American or not with respect and speak with respect to others.
Originally posted by twitchy
Ask THIS KID what he thinks of that fine democracy we laid on them. Or AskTHIS GUY if he thinks the real reason was we went to war was WMD's. THIS KID opposes war, is he just flapping his jaws as well? Ask THIS LITTLE GUY what he thinks of the Iraqi Food For Oil scandal. Or maybe take some time to find out what THIS KID thinks about your righteous war on terrorism. This is real war, look at the links and tell those kids how unamerican we are for opposing an illegal and preemptive war on a noun. Maybe you enjoy this kind of crap, you certainly seem to enjoy your righteous opinions of the war, but honestly, most people who can see past the glass in their televisions know what real war is and what it does.
Originally posted by Intelearthling
the Republicans don't try to hide flagrant and disgusting behavior as the Democrats do, because the Republicans are mature individuals, unlike their counterparts!
All Republicans want to do is, allow people to grow up and take care of themselves. If they can't, then they need to crawl in a hole and cover themselves up. I wasn't born to take care of the lazy!
A reputation for kissing the world's butt in the previous 8 years before President Bush?
I hope I have made myself clear?
Originally posted by Intelearthling
I do believe that we Amricans don't need to be told by the far-left on how terrible war is. It's my belief that the far-left can't see past their television screen on how more terrible it would've been if we didn't go into Iraq. Ot's terrible that people get maimed and even killed in war.
We don't live in a "Utopia" type world and I wish people would quit trying to tell us that it's possible. It'll never be possible as long as the enemy seeks to destroy our way of life. Our way of life? Our way of life is to make sure that we remain the beacon of hope for the rest of the world. I'm talking about freedom if you need to know.
I feel for the people in these pictures. But we can't sit on the sidelines and do nothing and let our people live in fear. We also can't go around throwing flower petals and displaying "peace signs", thinking this will solve the problem.
Originally posted by twitchy
Ignorant claims? Oh you must mean the intelligence that indicated that they were a military threat to the western world. LOL Do you mean the proven to faked documents uranium documents from Nigeria? Or do you mean the Convoys or mobile bioweapons platforms? Every bit of intelligence we had prior to the Invasion of Iraq pointed to not only no credible links between Iraq and Alqeada, but to little or no offensive capability or stock piles, and every scrap of it was mandated, not assesed, mandated by the Bush Administration.
You said "every other agency that investigated this connection have said that there were links between Iraq/Saddam and Al qaeda..."
This is a ridiculous statement and represents a very narrow awareness of world events. The only agencies that have demonstrated any connection betqween Iraq and Alqaeda were once again, mandated by the Bush and Blair administrations.
............are you actually suggesting that Iraq was a threat to us? If we had stayed the hell out of eastern politics instead of manipulating and pissing these peopel off, we wouldn't have to worry about being targets of international terrorism would we. You are in serious need of some understanding of the forces that govern our foriegn policies. ........
Why We Went to War
From the October 20, 2003 issue: The case for the war in Iraq, with testimony from Bill Clinton.
by Robert Kagan & William Kristol
10/20/2003, Volume 009, Issue 06
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions."
--Bill Clinton, July 22, 2003
May 2, 2002
David Taylor: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment he has made of unaccounted for stocks of Iraqi precursor chemicals, chemical agent and special munitions, based on the findings of the UN Special Commission.
Mr. Straw: In answer to questions on 12 March 2002, Official Report, columns 743�45, I said that weapons inspectors were unable to account for 4,000 tonnes of so-called precursor chemicals used in the production of weapons; 610 tonnes of precursor chemicals used in the production of nerve gas; and 31,000 chemical weapons munitions.
This information was the best available at the time, and was based on Iraqi declarations to UNSCOM inspectors between 1991�98 and data contained in an UNSCOM report published in 1999.
The real scandal contained in the long-awaited report of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) that was published last week concerns the fecklessness of the United Nations, not to mention the treacherous conduct of some of its security council members, in its dealings with Saddam's regime between the end of the 1991 Gulf war and last year's Operation Iraqi Freedom.
In the diplomatic build-up to last year's war to remove Saddam Hussein from power, the two most vociferous opponents of military action were Russia and France. Even though Presidents Putin and Chirac reluctantly signed up to UN Security Council resolution 1441 in November 2002 - which threatened Saddam with "serious consequences" if he did not fully comply - they were at the forefront of the international campaign to block military action.
At the time it was felt that their main motivation was to protect their lucrative trade ties with Baghdad. In late 2002, Saddam still owed the Russians some $10 billion, mainly for illegal arms deals. France came next in the trade rankings.
The Commission (UNMOVIC) is financed from a small portion of the monies raised from the export of oil from Iraq (the �oil-for-food� programme). Unlike its predecessor, UNSCOM, the staff of UNMOVIC are employees of the United Nations.
Yeah, keep believing Bush... It's a good thing Enron went down before the election or Bushie boy would be campaigning from a Federal Prison.
That's right, a link. Do you understand the difference between a link, and "axis of evil"? The 9-11 comission makes reference to two meetings between SUSPECTED alqeda agents and the Iraqi Government Officials. Two meetings is a far cry from collusion or even support.
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Saddam bankrolled Palestinian terrorists
FRASER NELSON
POLITICAL EDITOR
Key points
� Documents show Saddam funded Palestinian terrorist group
� Syrian business front funded terrorists through UN oil-for-food programme
� 1991 tape reveals Saddam wanted to use biological weapons against Israel
Story in full SADDAM Hussein�s links to terrorism have been proven by documents showing he helped to fund the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Wow, terrorists camps, in the middle east no less. Do you have any idea how many nations have 'terrorist' training camps? What you and alot of other misinformed folks seem to fail to grasp, is that these terrorists camps are military training for many opposing Factions, from the Sheite to the Sunni. What you call a terrorist camp they call militia.
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A terrorist training camp is a nation bombed into the third world and then exploited by foriegn interests and occupied by a hostile military, that's your training camps dude.
And if BinLaden was our objective, then why would Bush himself say March 13, 2002 "I don't know where BinLaden is, I have no Idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority". Wake up, neither Afghanistan or Iraq had any links to 9-11. Infact, Israel and particularly Saudi Arabia were implicated by subsequent investigations as I remeber...
Reality check here man, your argument is the one that lacks any evidence what so ever. You post some credible evidence asserting a link between alqeada and Iraq, or Iraqi stock piles of nukes and anthrax, the GOP would love to hear from you cause they have been looking themselves... You got some proof worthy of a preemptive invasion and occupation of TWO soverign nationsm then hell your doing ebtter than the CIA and the entire western world for that matter. Cut off the tv, switch to a non-flouride toothpaste, and skip a flu shot or two and you might catch something other than what's handed to you by a coporate consoidated media. Follow the money, and read some 80's articles and you will hopefully have a better understanding of whats going on because your obviously not learning much from these boards if you still contest WMD's and Alqeada connections.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 is a resolution by the UN Security Council, passed unanimously on November 8, 2002, offering Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" that had been set out in several previous resolutions (resolution 660, resolution 661, resolution 678, resolution 686, resolution 687, resolution 688, resolution 707, resolution 715, resolution 986, and resolution 1284), notably to provide "an accurate full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by Resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles". Resolution 1441 threatens "serious consequences" if these are not met. It reasserted demands that UN weapons inspectors should have "immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access" to sites of their choosing, in order to ascertain compliance.
The full text is available on WikiSource (sources.wikipedia.org...).
Although Iraq was given until November 15 to accept the resolution, they agreed on November 13. Weapons inspectors, absent from Iraq since December 1998, returned later that month, led by Hans Blix of UNMOVIC and Mohamed ElBaradei of the IAEA.
In early December, 2002, Iraq filed a 12,000-page weapons declaration with the UN in order to meet requirements for this resolution. The UN and the US said that this failed to account for all of Iraq's chemical and biological agents.
Like I said man, read your history, we have sold both Iran and Iraq weapons. We have supplied both nations with logistic support, sattellite and other intelligence. You forget who put Saddam in power. BinLaden and Carlyle, BinLaden and Bush, Osama Himself was a CIA asset.
And yes we can do S*it, but where I'm from we believe in going after those who are actually, well you know, like uh... RESPONSIBLE for the attack. Even your own media is calling it 'pre-emptive' to counter the lack of credible reasoning behind the invasions. That is what they are selling and your buying it.
Just about every arabic speaking nation in the modern world has at some point crossed paths with Alqeada. We have aided many such groups ourselves. You live under the paranoid illusion that all arabs are terrorist supporting monsters that are out to destroy your baseball and apple pie, an illusion perpetuated by manipulative foriegn policy and endless propaganda. They are people, nations, cultures, the only difference between us and them is military strength, wealth and dependence on foriegn resources. I'm not condoning terrorism, but like all things terrorism is causal, but when you create a monster, you have to feed it. Lybia? LOL here again you need to read your history, we were duped into attacking Lybia by intercepting decoyed communications courtesy of Israeli Intel.
BinLaden runs around with an American made anti-tank rifle that was presented to him personally as a gift from us. You seem to think that Arms dealers are strictly shady terrorism supporting evil folk. The U.S. is hands down the largest exporter of arms in the world.
Wow you mean despite strict trade sanctions imposed and enforced by a multinational coalition after the first gulf war, "Russia among other countries" openly defied the world and sold billions worth of materials and weapons? I must have missed that one in the news. Billions of dollars in weapons, yet they had no organized military offensive or defensive capability? Get real. Iraq was no threat, to assert that there was is ridiculous. Camels, rifles, improvised esplosives... real world threatening stuff there. They weren't even allowed to buy alot of medical equipment and industrially critical chemicals, and your trying to say the world sat back and let russia defy openly defy UN sanctions that they voted for?
Originally posted by Amelia
Listen you guys!!! I'm really scared to hear your post and I'm sooooooo glad to live up north in Canada!
You are our neighbors, not too far away!
Maybe you should ALLLLLL vote for WORLD PEACE...no more violence against inocent people, no more profits with gas, no more corruption! I hope that human kind will someday understand that the real world on earth is nothing...It's hell...when the world is divided like that between social class, religions and countries...too bad
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Originally posted by twitchy
You got some statistical proof of this absurdity? Hell man democrats are four times as likely to die in plane crashes, let alone skiing and boating accidents. Funny who the one senator who openly opposed the invasion of Iraq was Paul Wellstone. The only two members of the Legislature publicly speak out against the patriot act were the ones who received anthrax in the mail (a strain of anthrax traced back to US labs by the way).
That rubbish aside, You are completely blinded by a two party ILLUSION. There is one, and only one political party in this country and that is the Capitalists. While we bicker and argue about who is liberal, who is conservative, who is rich or who is gay, they are robbing us blind while they shake hands and kiss babies. Wake up to a new reality and try to see past the two sided farce you are trying to argue from. There is no difference between the two parties except a logo and some poorly scripted rhetoric.
The funny thing is, it is the US allies in the war that are the ones who want him out (i mean the people, not the dicks in harge).
Originally posted by Intelearthling
Where's your reasoning, Durden?
If they don't like it, tough! What are they going to do about us anyway? Nothing is the answer. A big, fat NOTHING! (But flap them jaws!)
And plus, I haven't got to give you a reason! I'm an American! I don't need a reason, remember?
Did I ever say I needed a reason? Nope. You did.
The anti- american "Americans" is a better term for Democrats!
A vote for Kerry is the display of hatred for the American way of life.
On the highest rating, most listened-to breakfast program on Melbourne radio, the hosts asked their audience a question yesterday.
That question? "Do you want to see George W. Bush re-elected as President of the United States of America?".
After one of the largest audience reactions to any poll question, a full 60% of listeners said "Yes".
Despite what you're told by the liberal left media, it's good to know the truth: the people, wherever they may be, are with President Bush.
Originally posted by HobNob
Reading this thread worries me. I'm from the UK (a country not too keen on George Bush, all told)
and from looking at different news sites and from reading threads all over the web, I see a country seemingly split right down the middle,
over two parties who are not at all that different. We have the same problem here in the UK.