Chicago Teachers March in Solidarity with International Socialists

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

i'll have to take your word for that as i'm too tired to research that statement.
however, living through the 70s in PA and down south since the latter 80s, personal experience would encourage me to agree.

ETA: it wouldn't surprise me considering the South was more prosperous than the North, way back when too ... if i remember correctly, the South was the 4th prosperous region in the world, at that time.

edit on 14-9-2012 by Honor93 because: ETA

Here is some info I scrounged fast.

From July 1, 2008 through July 1, 2009, a net total of more than 339,000 Americans moved from forced-unionism states to Right to Work states.

Fifteen of the 16 states ranked at the top for their current “economic outlook,” based on all 15 policy variables, have Right to Work laws on the books. And not one of the 15 bottom-ranked states has such a law.

www.nrtwc.org...

“From 2000 to 2010, inflation-adjusted BEA statistics show wage and salary disbursements to employees by private businesses increased by 8.6% in Right to Work states.

“Meanwhile, real private-sector wage and salary disbursements in forced-unionism states fell by 1.8%.”

www.nrtwc.org...

So my 10x is actually wrong, it's actually much higher than 10x.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

From July 1, 2008 through July 1, 2009, a net total of more than 339,000 Americans moved from forced-unionism states to Right to Work states.

I actually know small business owners, that moved out of Wisconsin, and Illinois, because of this.

Their businesses are booming too. Also, wages might not be higher, but cost of living is different, I would believe in Right to Work states. Would love to see if that is true, also.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

From July 1, 2008 through July 1, 2009, a net total of more than 339,000 Americans moved from forced-unionism states to Right to Work states.

I actually know small business owners, that moved out of Wisconsin, and Illinois, because of this.

Their businesses are booming too. Also, wages might not be higher, but cost of living is different, I would believe in Right to Work states. Would love to see if that is true, also.

I moved from Massachusetts to South Carolina. as far as wage goes I would make significantly more in MA. When you adjust for cost of living however I am much better off in SC. I have my own 3 bedroom house here, I would never be able to afford a 1 bedroom home in MA.

I am amazed at left and right. (I myself am in the middle)

How can the left protray the Tea Party as all racist when a few are, yet when someone attacks teachers unions in chicago with marching with world socialists, you say "dont judge the whole by a few" and "yes they are marching, its there march" its baffeling because of the fact that you your selfs are denying the same thing for which you attack at..... explain that to me please.

reply to post by xuenchen


Being a Chicagoan, watching these strikes just fills me with embarrassment...

The Chicago Teachers Union is looking for a pay raise, especially in times when most private sector workers are not getting raises. They are refusing to work longer days (they have the shortest school day in the country), they stated if you want us to work longer days, pay us more. Ummm, salaried workers dont usually get to dictate that, if my boss tells me I have to work longer, I work longer, its 24/7 for most of us... They reject the mandated teacher evaluation system, which essentially holds them accountable for students failing in the classroom, they believe its unfair. The CTU also has a terrific benefits package to go along with all their other perks...

Basically, Unions are a waste of time, Unions are almost criminal, its not the 1950's anymore, we dont need unions... I was with Scott Walker of Wisconsin, when he went after Unions last year and I feel every city/state should do the same thing.... Unions are a thing of the past, and they are IMPOSSIBLE to negotiate with, because they always take advantage of whoever they're negotiating with...

I would love to see the City of Chicago tell all 25,000 teachers to go F### Themselves...

reply to post by Hefficide


Everyone I saw in that was wearing those Che shirts.

reply to post by xuenchen


Yep yep. It is all in that thread I put out in education. They have been training the children to have socialist attitudes and beliefs, for over 2 decades now.

Long version:

Indoctrinate the youth.

They learned well from the Nazis.

reply to post by sonnny1


You know it!! Warm with a beach.

reply to post by Mr Headshot


Irrelevant to the core issue IMO. Honestly speaking the "Red Scare" culture is getting so out of hand these days that I might have to dig out my old CCP T-shirt just to provoke a few folks into wanting to debate it.

Apparently the "Freedom at all costs" crowd is now doing what they endlessly gripe about and trying to restrict that freedom from those who disagree with their sense of right and wrong.

If I wear a Che T-shirt it doesn't add to or take away from the issues I choose to stand up for or debate.

~Heff ( or maybe ~Che! )

reply to post by Hefficide


Wearing a Che shirt says one of a few things about you.
1. You think murder is cool
2. You are clueless about history, and you enjoy reciting things.
3. You're a dumb kid who wants to be trendy.


Nobody wants to arrest people for thinking that being a commie is cool, but it is very telling about what kind of person you are. What type of character you have.

If you want to be a 16 year old and make people think you're cool by wearing a soviet shirt, be my guest. You'll make yourself look like a fool, or people will fall for it. Doesn't matter to me either way.

I never said those people shouldn't be allowed to protest, I do think they should be fired though. I don't believe that people including kids in protests like that, have any business teaching children anything. I honestly don't believe that anybody who says a man who did a very good job at being a hired thug and killer is a "good role model" should be anywhere near other people's kids. I wouldn't want mine around them, if I had any.
But that's not my call. It should be the city's call though, not the union.

reply to post by Mr Headshot


4) I'm bright enough to realize a T-shirt is a T-shirt.

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Mr Headshot

 

4) I'm bright enough to realize a T-shirt is a T-shirt.

~Heff

A T-shirt is just a T-shirt??? Hmmm... So wearing a shirt with a swastika on it would be ok in your eyes?

I'm not sure why you dont mind educators wearing shirts like that... For starters, if a Teacher is wearing a shirt like that they should probably understand (and know) the history of the character on the shirt... And if they did, they would know that the shirt isnt appropiate to wear, espcially in a public setting like the protests...

reply to post by jhn7537


Can you direct me to a law that forbids Swastika T-shirts?

I myself would not opt to wear one, for personal reasons. But I have every legal and moral right to wear one if I were to choose to do so.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


Some schools have dress codes and forbid such things. It's not a law, per se, but a social taboo to do so. Go ahead, try wearing one down the street of Hollywood or New York city and see where it gets you.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by jhn7537

 

Can you direct me to a law that forbids Swastika T-shirts?

I'd personally not opt to wear one, for personal reasons. But I have every legal and moral right to wear one if I were to choose to do so.

~Heff

I never brought laws into the conversation, I just feel like there should be a certain set of standards that teachers abide by... If Im a parent in this school district, I wouldnt want my kids teacher being a person who wears shirts like the ones we're talking about... If you believe a certain way, thats fine, just keep it to yourself and keep it within the walls of your home... Thats all Im saying..

reply to post by jhn7537


That's for the voters in that school district to handle. Personally I wouldn't care less what teachers wore off duty if my kids were getting a sound education.


reply to post by EvilSadamClone

I've worn worse in both Hollywood and NYC in my time. In fact my favorite T-shirt is very aggressive and would break T&C to quote it here. And I'm still AOK - even living in one of the most dangerous cities in America.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


Then you should also be bright enough to realize that a hoard of people wearing the same T-shirt, of the same color, are trying to make a statement relating to that.

They didn't just randomly show up wearing red Che shirts.

reply to post by Hefficide


Nobody said it should be illegal. I simply said that it's telling of what type of person you are when you wear a shirt with Che because he's a "good role model."

The Chicago Teachers' Strike: A One Act Play

Yay greedy adults!

Boo education for children!

The End.

/TOA