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The New Age movement is a Western spiritual movement that developed in the second half of the 20th century. Its central precepts have been described as "drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology, holistic health, parapsychology, consciousness research and quantum physics".
It aims to create "a spirituality without borders or confining dogmas" that is inclusive and pluralistic. It holds to "a holistic worldview," emphasising that the Mind, Body and Spirit are interrelated and that there is a form of Monism and unity throughout the universe. It attempts to create "a worldview that includes both science and spirituality" and embraces a number of forms of mainstream science as well as other forms of science that are considered fringe.
My Socratic Questions to you:
1. In line with your comment regarding ”The natural progression of human beliefs is not a movement at all, not New Age, neither Old Age, but an underlying yearn for all of humanity, how exactly does this ‘yearning for all of humanity’ manifest in not only in a practical sense in terms of the lives of the everyday person walking down the street…
2 …but also in their core beliefs which underlie how they view their fellow man and everything around them?
Gödel's incompleteness theorems are two theorems of mathematical logic that establish inherent limitations of all but the most trivial axiomatic systems capable of doing arithmetic. The theorems, proven by Kurt Gödel in 1931, are important both in mathematical logic and in the philosophy of mathematics.
Religion, reduced to a simple belief system, has been present since the dawn of the actual consciousness of humankind.
It's proven in the historical record that different cultures create their own Gods. We WANT an explanation, and without a direct explanation, humans are very good at "creating" an explanation, and often extrapolate such explanations to unfalsifiable conclusions.
The New Age movement attempts to compensate, by collectively assimilating many mainstream religions, but still falls short, represented by the fact the there is no "absolute truth". The perfect religion hasn't been presented to us yet.
The premise presented in this debate denotes that all humans will eventually conform to some aspect of a "New Age" belief, which is obviously not so.
What you must understand is that the topics the New Age movement are speculating about are those which current scientific method cannot answer.
You are going to hate me for this.... I'm calling this a draw. Both participants make strong points and I was left feeling like this debate could have and should have been given more time or an additional post or two. I have read this 3 times already and I have spent that last 2 days mulling it over and I am not closer today than I was yesterday at being able to say that one case was stronger than other. My hats off to both participants, and I feel that being unable to come to a conclusion is doing a huge disservice to both. I literally felt like a ping pong ball, moving from one camp to the other as I read and reread this debate.
In the opening statements, both debaters give their opinions of the new age belief. While 1littlewolf brings forward strong points highlighting what it is and what it is not, Druid42 focuses on the religious connotation of the belief. 1littlewolf describes the belief with a wider and more detailed analysis than Druid42 and therefore I give this Round to this debater.
In the second round, 1littlewolf picks up on the religious theme and comes back with even stronger points than his opening. Druid42, on the other hand, sticks to the religious connotations aspect of it and explains them in a beautiful way. Both debaters were outstanding in this Round. However, as Druid42 has forced the focus of the discussion on the religious side of it, which his opponent fell for, a nice move actually, this Round is his for the taking.
The closing statements: 1littlewolf brings in fringe topics, science and metaphysics, interesting but lacking the strength of the first two rounds. Druid42 briefly touches his opponent’s conclusion and goes further into his religious connotations, which is good, but mentioning a payback for the crusades, as concluded, is quite a stretch. Nonetheless, both conclusions are still great reads and both debaters did well but it leaves me hungry for more. So this Round would be a tie.
For the overall debate, both did exceptionally well and it was an excellent read. However, I give the most scoring points for penetration of the belief, in explaining where it’s from, where it’s at and where it’s heading. With that in mind, I find that 1littlewolf made a clearer case and is the winner of this debate.
It was a good match!