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Ha-satan is not even remotely close to the Christian version of Satan which was codified in the 13th century.
In Jewish tradition ha-satan ('the accuser', 'the adversary') is not a proper noun (capitalized) it is a common noun (un-capitilized) and thus does not represent a sentient being, it is a role given by God.
No, the concept of a fallen angel that rules in Hell was never part of the Jewish religion. Please cite references if you feel otherwise.
In Biblical Judaism nothing could be removed from God's grace. There is no concept of 'falling' away from God, God is completely omnipotent and his angels, unlike man, do not have free will. This was God's gift to man and was not shared by the angels.
The concept Christian concept of Satan, as borrowed by the Mulims, is nearly the same, this is the one I refer to as it is the only one to refer to.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by ThingKing
In my view it would count as they're not required to share your definition. It's up to the individual to interpret. A couple other definitions are "a being who finds light through darkness" - they could look at themselves as that supreme being.
When joining the lodge the question asked to you is quite clear, 'Do you believe in a Supreme Being'? There is no vagueness about the question. By definition there can be only one Supreme Being and the historical Satan of Christianity is certainly not one.
Another definition is, it could represent the light of existence, as in "the word" ...as in thoth, as in the language and number system as in atum and as in illusion.
Again, is Thoth thought of as the Creator of the Universe?
To me, Satan represents the negative/dark and lucifer as said, light from dark...venus with a penis.
This viewpoint would not be suitable for Masonry as what you describe is not a situation where there is a Supreme Being.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
LINK
Originally posted by shamanix2012
And your comment about me joining 2 days ago was relevant how?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by shamanix2012
And your comment about me joining 2 days ago was relevant how?
To indicate the irrelevance of your comments. You opted to speak about the star feature and not address the topic.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
Judaism preceded Christianity, my friend. Satan is a Jewish concept in origin, not Christian. Christianity may have distorted the concept, yes - agreed, but the origin is still Jewish.
If you change the meaning of an English word, it doesn't change the very fact that the origin of the word is still English. The origin of the concept of Satan is Jewish, not Christian.
In the Book of Genesis, Jacob wrestled with a sentient being. According to the Jewish Sages, that sentient being was Satan.
Satan is a character that appears in the belief systems of many religions, including Christianity and Islam. In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong. source
For Jews, anything that even remotely conflicts with the idea that Gd is One and Indivisible will be rejected out of hand because it precludes true pure monotheism. The idea that there is a Gd in heaven above who fights against a god of the underworld, or of hell, or a Good Gd who is in eternal opposition to an Evil Gd, is not monotheism. -Rabbi Stuart Federow source
The Christians don't understand how an angel of G-d can try to seduce people to disobey G-d, so they came to the unsupported conclusion that Satan must have rebelled against G-d.-Rabbi Tovia Singer. source
Judaism does not believe in the popular concept of the devil, which the dualistic notion that there is another power in the world rivaling that of God. Judaism does believe, however, that each person was created with both an urge towards goodness (yetzer hatov) and an urge towards evil (yetzer hara). But note that this is an internal urge rather than an external force. -Rabbi Krishef source
Again, you are giving a Christianized interpretation of the word, and not its original Jewish meaning.
Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I never even mentioned the free will of angels.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Salem Cross/Baphomet
Originally posted by shamanix2012
I wonder why masons are so worried what the masses think about them...
Originally posted by shamanix2012
I only mentioned it a thousand times...... can you at least agree that MEN CAN BE CORRUPTED???? AND THAT MASONS ARE MADE UP OF MEN?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Salem Cross/Baphomet
Sorry, no pictures of Baphomet wearing a Salem Cross on that site. Maybe you can post the one you have.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
You are clearly a dis-info agent for the masons or are such a low level member that you honestly don't know the truth yet. Everything I posted was truth but you will never admit it so with that I bid you goodnight.
Originally posted by Egyptia
I find it interesting how all your rituals exclude the NAME by which you make proclamation to your G-d.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by shamanix2012
I only mentioned it a thousand times...... can you at least agree that MEN CAN BE CORRUPTED???? AND THAT MASONS ARE MADE UP OF MEN?
Anyone can be corrupted, I never posted otherwise and this is not the premise of the topic. What does that have to do with believing in and worshipping Satan?
Originally posted by shamanix2012
I never accused YOU of worshipping satan, but thanks for finally confirming that men can be corrupted...... and you see this is my point, the freemasons are a group of men and some may be worshipping unclean spirits.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
You are clearly a dis-info agent for the masons or are such a low level member that you honestly don't know the truth yet. Everything I posted was truth but you will never admit it so with that I bid you goodnight.
Really? Ad hominems because you cannot prove a point? Post the picture, not links to rediculous websites that try to link everything to everything.
You clearly do not know how to distinguish between evidence and a fabricated reality in which you currently reside where you can throw up random links and expect it to be taken at face value as some form of evidence. If you have a picture of Pike wearing a 'Baphomet symbol' then post it. If you think that a Salem Cross is a symbol of Baphomet then post a image of Baphomet wearing one. Linking a group that existed long after Pike died and trying to tie him to it and its symbolism is beyond ludicris.