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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Ignoring the obvious mistranslation of St. Jerome's 4th and 5th century conversions of the Vetus Latina and the Hebrew Bible and the subsequent misuses by Milton and Aligiehri the knowledgeable person will conclude that the word Lucifer does not refer to Satan but the planet Venus.
All regular Masons are required to have a belief in a Supreme Being, i.e. God, and the planet Venus, whom the Romans refered to as Lucifer, certainly does not qualify.
Neither does Satan, who besides being a purely Christian concept, cannot, in the historical context, be considered a 'Supreme Being'. The historical Satan of Christian mythos was created by God and is therefore subordinate to God and defacto, not 'Supreme'. Letting common sense prevail the intelligent contemplator of this topic would realize that there can only be one Supreme Being if one deigns to believe in such; only one ominscient, ominpotent and omnipresent creator of the Universe. To imply that Satan (Lucifer) is somehow on par with God is to argue that God is neither all-powerful nor supreme.
This would imply a situation where God is neither omnipotent nor unique and not worthy of the respect and adoration due to God by every Mason. It therefore becomes quite obvious why any Mason obligated to believe in God would not and could not call God by the name Lucifer or Satan.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
If you are a "high-level mason" as your avatar suggests you know Pike wore the sign of Baphomet around his neck and freemasonry is Baal worship plain and simple. Unless you're not "high-level" then you probably don't know.
Originally posted by akushla99
The fundie concept of 'original sin' installs the necessity for 'salvation' from, said sin...
Satan...is a fabrication to abrogate personal responsibility...
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by shamanix2012
I bring it up because I experienced it first hand, and there is a possibility that SOME masons do worship Lucifer, Satan, ( the name doesn't matter, their actions do ). I wasn't trying to offend you, just putting another perspective here.
Then they would not be considered Masons owing to the fact that they lied when applying for membership as by the defintion I gave you Lucifer is not supreme and cannot be thought of as a Supreme Being.
Originally posted by partycrasher
Now does the mason who reveres god also revere jesus as their god openly in a lodge? or is this avoided so as not to upset the non jesus fearing members
...and is this not a groundwork for a 1 world religion where all gods are 1 and one god is all therefore making it more appealing to all men ( also a great sales plan )
Also masons this question is directed to you- do homosexuals join lodges?
can a satanist join a lodge ?
a luciferian can they join also?
...can a kitten killer join ?
child molesters are they banned ?
and how much sway do these masons have over other masons at the lodge?
masons claim and i believe it to be true that they are trying to reform the lodge-who had the power to help sway the lodge to do that?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by akushla99
The fundie concept of 'original sin' installs the necessity for 'salvation' from, said sin...
Satan...is a fabrication to abrogate personal responsibility...
You hit the nail on the head with both points. It is all about guilt and control.
Originally posted by ThingKing
In my view it would count as they're not required to share your definition. It's up to the individual to interpret. A couple other definitions are "a being who finds light through darkness" - they could look at themselves as that supreme being.
Another definition is, it could represent the light of existence, as in "the word" ...as in thoth, as in the language and number system as in atum and as in illusion.
To me, Satan represents the negative/dark and lucifer as said, light from dark...venus with a penis.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
God is supreme.
The only way to be sure if a person is from either side is not being a Freemason. We can clearly see character of large groups of people by seeing their will done in public. God already knows the hear of everyone. It's less important for us to know the judgment of God and more important to judge ourselves by the light of truth.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
God is supreme.
You should have stopped here. But, being that you like to blather on non-sequitorally, you cannot help yourself....
The only way to be sure if a person is from either side is not being a Freemason. We can clearly see character of large groups of people by seeing their will done in public. God already knows the hear of everyone. It's less important for us to know the judgment of God and more important to judge ourselves by the light of truth.
Says the guy who decries opponents of marital rape, thinks child raping fathers should make their daughters keep their 'gift' babies if they become pregnant and invents portions of Masonic ritual to support his religious zealotry. Your character is on full display.
Stop derailing my thread with your banality and inanity.
Says the guy who decries opponents of marital rape, thinks child raping fathers should make their daughters keep their 'gift' babies if they become pregnant and invents portions of Masonic ritual to support his religious zealotry. Your character is on full display.
Stop derailing my thread with your banality and inanity.
Originally posted by MrTheOutspoken
As far as I have been led to believe (through my research), not all masons worship satan/lucifer (and are in it for the perks), however, a true 'bloodline' mason, will.
One said "lucifer is the light, and the light is good".
Even if you don't worship satan, doesn't mean you don't work for him.
Originally posted by shamanix2012
Exactly, but by the overwhealming number of mindless stars the masons get on these forums don't expect them to listen or take your points into consideration, they can only think in one direction.
Originally posted by shamanix2012
Yes I joined 2 days ago, and you prove my point, putting post count on a higher pedestal than reason, by all means keep those EYES WIDE SHUT sir.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
If you are a "high-level mason" as your avatar suggests you know Pike wore the sign of Baphomet around his neck and freemasonry is Baal worship plain and simple. Unless you're not "high-level" then you probably don't know.
Is that so? Maybe you can post a picture of Pike with this symbol.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by shamanix2012
Yes I joined 2 days ago, and you prove my point, putting post count on a higher pedestal than reason, by all means keep those EYES WIDE SHUT sir.
Which was preceded by your inane comment about stars. Try to address the topic and not go off on irrelevant tangents regarding the website's features and functions.