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Originally posted by darkhorserider
I think this logic could exclude Christians as well, except that Christians have that convenient Holy Trinity that makes Jesus and God one and the same, except when they're not, LOL.
Christians don't believe Christ is the creator of the universe, but they worship Christ and they pray to Christ, and they look to Christ as their savior and ticket to heaven, but they also believe in God the Father.
I don't know much about what Luciferianists believe, but I don't see why they couldn't believe in a GAOTU, and then also believe he created the Lucifer character who became defiant and was given the realm of Earth, and serves here as the ambassador for mankind, very similar to Jesus except Jesus was pious and humble while Lucifer was defiant. Similar stories, different results, neither one more valid than the other.
I could be way off base, but I don't see how one would be acceptable and the other not.
I absolutely DO BELIEVE one has to be a monotheist.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
These are a few that you could use to get a better understanding of the mindset and practices involved in the doctrines which you claim no affiliation to. I am not saying it would be a perfect match but you will notice the symbolism is drawn from the same sources and often similar practices (the rituals) aim for similar purposes.
As I have already stated I am done arguing with you as you don't seem to have a grasp of the material as a whole to actually have a discussion on any matter aside from masonry.
People are certainly entitled to worship Lucifer, or something less than God, in a religious context while also believing they are still a monotheist. The Holy Trinity, saints, angels... Catholic's tend to engage in what can be considered a religious worship of something other than God, and you'd be hard pressed to find a Catholic who claims to not be a monotheist.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Can you worship Lucifer (or anything else for that matter) in a relgious context and still remain a monotheist?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Can you worship Lucifer (or anything else for that matter) in a relgious context and still remain a monotheist?
Yes, a Gnostic sees Lucifer as the true God who is uncreated by the Demiurg of this world. It was Lucifer who came to this world as the serpent in order to save. In the Garden of Eden it was Lucifer as the serpent who gave Eve Gnosis in the partaking of the Tree of Good and Evil. The Demiurg of this world said do not eat of this tree for you shall surely die. The serpent told Eve that you will not surely die. Eve ate and so did Adam and their eyes were opened and they surely did not die. The Demiurg of this world is a liar, and will hold you in spiritual bondage.edit on 9-11-2012 by ExuLucifer because: clarificationedit on 9-11-2012 by ExuLucifer because: clarification
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
You have been wrong so many times in this thread...
Originally posted by Erbal
Do you believe there are any people out there who worship Lucifer? If so, by what name/label do you refer to that belief/worship as?
Originally posted by ExuLucifer
Yes, a Gnostic sees Lucifer as the true God who is uncreated by the Demiurg of this world.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by helen6700
Hi AugustusMasonicus///
There was no early 'Roman Catholic' Church....the Early Church was Catholic(as in universal) when the East and West split.......and the concept of hell is as it was in the early Church....
I use that term for clarities sake when differentiating between the multiple sects of Christianity that now exist.
As for the original post.....
Nothing is HIDDEN from God.....all will be revealed!!!
Who mentioned hiding anything?
Originally posted by helen6700
Therefore a Christian cannot be part of this sect of Masons!
He cannot be both...you cannot have TWO GODS!
Originally posted by ExuLucifer
I would know seeing as I have been initiated into a Gnostic Order inside Ecclesia Gnostica.
35. Are these estranged spiritual beings the same as the fallen angels that some Christians believe in?
There can be little doubt that the myth of the war in heaven and of the fall of Lucifer are but a form of the Gnostic statements about the estrangement of the Demiurge and his Archons from the PLEROMA.
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37. By what names is the Demiurge known?
In Gnostic scriptures he is called YALDABAOTH (child of chaos), SACLAS (fool) and SAMAEL (blind one). In later Gnosticizing lore he was at times identified with LUCIFER or SATAN, the prince of the powers of air.
1. What is God?
The infinite and eternal Reality behind all phenomena, known to the Gnostic under several names, such as the True God, the Unknown Father, the King of Light and many more.
2. What are some further characteristics of God?
Although being infinite, God is in a sense beyond all qualities; one may nevertheless affirm that God is the highest, perfect transcendental Existence in Whom everything originated and by Whom everything is sustained.
35. Are these estranged spiritual beings the same as the fallen angels that some Christians believe in?
There can be little doubt that the myth of the war in heaven and of the fall of Lucifer are but a form of the Gnostic statements about the estrangement of the Demiurge and his Archons from the PLEROMA.
This is about the Demiurg which is not Lucifer. Lucifer ruled over heaven and will reclaim his throne over the Demiurg who usurped power.
37. By what names is the Demiurge known?
In Gnostic scriptures he is called YALDABAOTH (child of chaos), SACLAS (fool) and SAMAEL (blind one). In later Gnosticizing lore he was at times identified with LUCIFER or SATAN, the prince of the powers of air.
1. What is God?
The infinite and eternal Reality behind all phenomena, known to the Gnostic under several names, such as the True God, the Unknown Father, the King of Light and many more.
2. What are some further characteristics of God?
Although being infinite, God is in a sense beyond all qualities; one may nevertheless affirm that God is the highest, perfect transcendental Existence in Whom everything originated and by Whom everything is sustained.
Originally posted by ExuLucifer
No it doesnt, as the order, and the church are two distinct bodies, and are not the same do not conflate the two. Ecclesia Gnostica is the name of his church and is therefore an incorrect assertion to claim all Gnostic Churches are Ecclesia Gnostica.
Your last statement surmises it well with "his opinion". He is one man with one church. He is not infallible nor is a Gnostic is required to believe anything or everything he says like another other priest or preacher. There are plenty of other Gnostic churches and sources to draw upon. As I stated its "his opinion".
This has no reference to Lucifer
Originally posted by ExuLucifer
I never said I was a member of Ecclesia Gnostica. I said I was initiated inside of Ecclesia Gnostica into an order there.
Why would I? Its his church he is free to promote his ideas however he sees fit.
Again its his opinion. Just because he speaks that way does not mean all Gnostics are required to subscribe to his view.
Originally posted by ExuLucifer
I am not a member of Ecclessia Gnostica therefore I am not apart of his organization.
I have not joined his church therefore I do not follow his teachings.