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Originally posted by Erbal
If your OP argument doesn't hold water for Masonry in GENERAL, why did you make a conscious choice to not clarify in the title and the OP that you are only speaking about a SPECIFIC form of Masonry?
(Based on what I've seen so far, I have no expectations you will be honest and forthright so you are in no danger of disappointing me)
Originally posted by partycrasher
So I did a google search - manly hall lucifer - and this was one result of MANY and many of the pro lucifer sources are from masons...
Originally posted by partycrasher
so lol manly p hall wrote this and he was still permitted by a lodge of masons to be a mason hmmm
Originally posted by partycrasher
sounds like the masons were in agreement to let this luciferian join.......and did you not post that a luciferian would be denied admission?
Originally posted by partycrasher
read what the google search revealed
Although the secrets of who god is doesn't start until the 30th°, there aren't many masonz who attain all 33°. For instance, in 1907 the total number of active 33° mason's didn't exceed 100. Therefore, there are hundredz of thousandz of mason's who think they know, but really don't because they haven't reached the end where the truth is revealed.
What is your degree? your pedigree? perhaps you have been denied this knowledge because of some flaw not highly regarded among higher masons? perhaps you should be more luciferic like hall and less like you.
Originally posted by partycrasher
OP mason what will you do if everyone on ATS starts doing google and other research on your beloved not so free masonry and its ties to luciferianism ?
Originally posted by partycrasher
It is claimed that
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Erbal
If your OP argument doesn't hold water for Masonry in GENERAL, why did you make a conscious choice to not clarify in the title and the OP that you are only speaking about a SPECIFIC form of Masonry?
Because Irregular Masonry that allows Aethists is irrelevant as belief in God is not required nor does God factor into the lessons. Irregular Masonry that does not allow Aethists would fall under the same category as Regular Masonry as the requirement for belief in God is a prerequisite.
(Based on what I've seen so far, I have no expectations you will be honest and forthright so you are in no danger of disappointing me)
Then why even ask me questions?
edit on 7-10-2012 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer
Originally posted by Erbal
The title is: "Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan), "
The OP's argument clearly states: "All regular Masons are required to have a belief in a Supreme Being, i.e. God, and the planet Venus, whom the Romans refered to as Lucifer, certainly does not qualify. "
You are now clearly and definitively stating: "See above, not all forms of Masonry require belief in God."
Originally posted by Erbal
If your OP argument doesn't hold water for Masonry in GENERAL, why did you make a conscious choice to not clarify in the title and the OP that you are only speaking about a SPECIFIC form of Masonry?
Originally posted by Saurus
There is only one Creator (the Supreme Being).
Whaterever you call the Creator, it is still the same supreme being.
Even if Masons did believe that the Bible lied and the Creator is called Satan, it is still the Creator.
Since you worship the Creator, and Masons worship the Creator, even if you called the Creator God, and Masons called him Satan, we would still be Worshiping the same God, right. (If you call a horse a dog, it is still a horse).
As On7a7higher7plane has said, Masons explicitely state that we worship the Creator. Irrespective of what anybody may call that Creator, it is the same being, since there is only one Creator.
That being said, we do not call the Creator Lucifer or Satan. Logic dictates that if we worship the Creator alone, we cannot worship Satan or Lucifer.
Whether or not the Bible lied is irrelevant (and in fact, many Masons do not believe the Bible). However, it is still the Creator that we worship.