Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan)

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Hah, no, he is actually a good guy.

Ah ok, my mix-up there. Thanks again anyway.

originally posted by: robhines
Hahah, cool. I'd guess that as you progress through levels though you might find that some new texts, or at least some new info, becomes open to you, etc.

Like any system of self-improvement there are myriads of books on the subject that the interested party can peruse. I have a fairly good selection in my home library that I am partial to and am always looking for further reading.

Thanks for talking anyway, I'll stop bugging you now but thanks for the replies.

No worries, happy to answer questions.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Sacri

What does this post have to do with the topic?

Clearly an example of how one or two can deceive an entire nation of earthlings.

I don't believe in the connotations of lucifer or god any more than you do... I've been misguided majorly twice now. Firstly growing up old school fundamental pentecostal, then running off to war.


Not everything is as appears

I know for a fact that masons are required to believe in a god, any god! Im sure some would believe in Lucifer. Who the hell in their right mind would believe anything a mason says defending their secret society on a predominantly conspiracy website anyway? Why would one start a thread with such a statement anyway? You have been here at ATS a long time and ive noticed that all you do is defend your cult. The more secrets one has the more often they must lie to keep them secret. I believe you as far as i can kick you!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


If one was to find themselves on their travels passing through the US what recommendations/suggestions would you have in regards to visiting lodges attending open days, having a chat.. Very interested to see how it compares to ones side of the world. . .

The experience and understanding gained.. one is very interested.

a reply to: robhines
I know Buddhists who are Masons and who are very educated or "highly realized." Others may laugh all day, doesn't make them or me right.

a reply to: lestweforget
Why would you not believe him?

a reply to: lestweforget

Who the hell in their right mind would believe a person whose never dealt with masonry anyway?

a reply to: KyoZero

Thats quite the assumption right there Zero! Why? Because i questioned his honesty? Well how can you keep a secret without being deceitful or flat out lying? I may only know a little when it comes to the inner workings of local freemasonry but its probably alot more than most.

a reply to: lestweforget
So you automatically assume that secrecy equals deceit and lying? That's a horrible and illogical assumption to have.

I may only know a little when it comes to the inner workings of local freemasonry but its probably alot more than most.

You think so?

How else does one keep something secret ? Does a truth revealed to one and not 2 still allow it to be a truth ?

Misdirection perhaps but, then the meaning of the word truth becomes invalid. . .

a reply to: lestweforget

nope...not at all...my silly response was me mirroring what i believed to be a silly question

excellent! Now why not go there and petition! I'm terribly afraid you are going to be ridiculously disappointed in what you hope to find

Obviously I petitioned for my reasons and I love these guys...I was astonished in many ways...the lectures are awe-inspiring

but at the same time, all the build up that ATS and other misinformation sites (please note I am not calling ATS one of those sites) made me feel like I was about to walk into the greatest movie in history filled with deception and lies and power beyond what I could understand

you know what I found? Seriously..here it is...it's a group of guys who eat chili, talk about bettering their community, the going out and doing it

I know it's riveting...but seriously...jokes and my own flippant behavior aside...I mean that...that is the secret other than our handshakes and so-called codes which literally seven seconds on google will provide you...that's it

See people 'think' they know what's going on by decoding things that weren't really meant to hold deceitful knowledge in the first place. I was so ready to learn that the G symbol was the key to me taking over the white house...and it wasn't...it held significance yes, but only to my catechisms and learning.

Don't get me wrong, I love masonry and am not in the least bit talking it down...it's amazing the feeling I get there...but beyond that, it truly is a bunch of guys who can cook and eat very well initiating new members and looking for new ways to help enrich lives in ways where we do NOT push God, Lucifer, Allah or anyone

We literally are not allowed to discuss our personal religious or political affiliations in the hall...period

For all I know the guy I am sitting to could be a rampant and avid Bush supporter while I sit here, a staunch socialist...but it didn't matter to us. We are just brothers with a desire to help others

Everything you want to know about our traditions can be found...the great secret is that while that is true, I personally have taken my oath to not do that revealing to you

sorry to break it to you and yes I am well aware you will likely respond with accusations that I too am a liar, not actually a mason or not high enough in the masonic ladder...and that's ok too

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: robhines
I know Buddhists who are Masons and who are very educated or "highly realized." Others may laugh all day, doesn't make them or me right.

a reply to: lestweforget
Why would you not believe him?

Hi there. Being highly realized would tend to make someone more right than not. It all depends on what we're perceiving as highly realized. I'm talking about a very small amount of people who really do understand how reality works.

To just give one example : I know that you guys perform rituals. The specifics of your rituals doesn't matter in this case, I'm just talking about rituals in general. A highly realized being has gone beyond rituals. I'm not saying that you fail or anything because you perform rituals, what I'm saying is that you still have a way to go if you're at that stage and trying to work out how reality actually works. You'd not need any ritual if you were truly awake. I'm sure that some of the Masons that are more awake than most others will get what I'm saying anyway.

And yeah, to get back on track, a truly realized being isn't going to be worshipping anybody. People probably go into Masonry for all types of reasons. Some will have completely screwed up intentions, others purely good intentions. But those who do truly reach a highly realized state will go beyond a belief in the GAOTU. They'll reach the stage of awakening and not need to cling to a belief in anything.

originally posted by: robhines
But those who do truly reach a highly realized state will go beyond a belief in the GAOTU. They'll reach the stage of awakening and not need to cling to a belief in anything.

Umm,no. As the devout Christians would say, that's when the devil gets a hold of you.
If you ever think you are too important for God, you may want to re-evaluate your position.

originally posted by: Sacri
Clearly an example of how one or two can deceive an entire nation of earthlings.

But that is not the topic of the Original Post.

I don't believe in the connotations of lucifer or god any more than you do... I've been misguided majorly twice now. Firstly growing up old school fundamental pentecostal, then running off to war.

Well, you have been making some odd comments about 'Lucifer experiments' and other such things.

originally posted by: lestweforget
I know for a fact that masons are required to believe in a god, any god! Im sure some would believe in Lucifer.

2,000+ posts in and we still get this tripe. Lucifer, if real, was created by God and therefore cannot be a God. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

Who the hell in their right mind would believe anything a mason says defending their secret society on a predominantly conspiracy website anyway?

Because the premise laid out in the Original Post is verifiable. St. Jerome and Milton were real. The stipulations on belief in a Supreme Being is also verifiable by asking for a petition at a local lodge (even if you have no intention of joining).

Why would one start a thread with such a statement anyway?

Because I felt like it.

You have been here at ATS a long time and ive noticed that all you do is defend your cult. The more secrets one has the more often they must lie to keep them secret.

Really? 'All I do'? You are an exaggerator at best and a prevaricator at worst.

originally posted by: Sacri
If one was to find themselves on their travels passing through the US what recommendations/suggestions would you have in regards to visiting lodges attending open days, having a chat.. Very interested to see how it compares to ones side of the world. . .
The experience and understanding gained.. one is very interested.

You can pretty much stop by any lodge to visit and meet the membership if it is one of their meeting nights. Just stop by ahead of time and ask for a tour or to meet the members.

Additionally, many states have yearly open houses, ours is next month.

originally posted by: robhines
I'm not saying that you fail or anything because you perform rituals, what I'm saying is that you still have a way to go if you're at that stage and trying to work out how reality actually works. You'd not need any ritual if you were truly awake. I'm sure that some of the Masons that are more awake than most others will get what I'm saying anyway.

Please bear in mind that our rituals are for the initiates who have never seen them. While I enjoy participation in them I tend to get more out of them when contemplating the ritual, rather then being involved in the ritual.

And yeah, to get back on track, a truly realized being isn't going to be worshipping anybody.

Well, not that I consider myself 'truly realized' but I do not 'worship' at all. I do not attend church or belong to an organized religion.

originally posted by: network dude
Umm,no. As the devout Christians would say, that's when the devil gets a hold of you.
If you ever think you are too important for God, you may want to re-evaluate your position.

It's a basic Buddhist belief :

"There comes a time, bhikkhus, when after the lapse of a long period this world contracts (disintegrates). While the world is contracting, beings for the most part are reborn in the Ābhassara Brahma-world.[7] There they dwell, mind-made, feeding on rapture, self-luminous, moving through the air, abiding in glory. And they continue thus for a long, long period of time.

40. "But sooner or later, bhikkhus, after the lapse of a long period, there comes a time when this world begins to expand once again. While the world is expanding, an empty palace of Brahmā appears. Then a certain being, due to the exhaustion of his life-span or the exhaustion of his merit, passes away from the Ābhassara plane and re-arises in the empty palace of Brahmā. There he dwells, mind made, feeding on rapture, self-luminous, moving through the air, abiding in glory. And he continues thus for a long, long period of time.

41. "Then, as a result of dwelling there all alone for so long a time, there arises in him dissatisfaction and agitation, (and he yearns): 'Oh, that other beings might come to this place!' Just at that moment, due to the exhaustion of their life-span or the exhaustion of their merit, certain other beings pass away from the Ābhassara plane and re-arise in the palace of Brahmā, in companionship with him. There they dwell, mind-made, feeding on rapture, self-luminous, moving through the air, abiding in glory. And they continue thus for a long, long period of time.

42. "Thereupon the being who re-arose there first thinks to himself: 'I am Brahmā, the Great Brahmā, the Vanquisher, the Unvanquished, the Universal Seer, the Wielder of Power, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Supreme Being, the Ordainer, the Almighty, the Father of all that are and are to be. And these beings have been created by me. What is the reason? Because first I made the wish: "Oh, that other beings might come to this place!" And after I made this resolution, now these beings have come.'

"And the beings who re-arose there after him also think: 'This must be Brahmā, the Great Brahmā, the Vanquisher, the Unvanquished, the Universal Seer, the Wielder of Power, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Supreme Being, the Ordainer, the Almighty, the Father of all that are and are to be. And we have been created by him. What is the reason? Because we see that he was here first, and we appeared here after him.'

From here : Brahmajāla Sutta: The All-embracing Net of Views

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Please forgive the rough format of my post as I am doing this off my phone from another country right now..


Not the point of the OP, however one is just suggesting that from ones experience it is very easy to live an entire life knowing, believing, and Fully understanding something only to find out its untrue. Manipulation is easy.



I would suggest the "lucifer" experiment to be the trap of our consciousness. . Thats ones personal view.. one only makes this connection from my understanding.. one thinks GAOTU knows about but didn't allow


One wants to have REAL conversation with people preferred TO as you have suggested to one before.. one does not have access to TO lodge..