Teacher sacked for grabbing abusive boy, 16, who hurled a banana milkshake over him

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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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simple answer to who teachers them respect, the parents.

none of my children would ever throw a chair or anything at a teacher to begin with, there is a reason why.

the problem however is getting so bad in schools and in area's/estates I believe maybe charging the parents with the crimes their children commit until they are 18 years old would force parents into taking an active interest in teaching their kids to respect other people and their property.




posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Let that be a lesson to all teachers out there. If you're going to lose your job anyway, make it worth your while. Knock the kid into next week.




I'm glad I rechecked this thread.

So you're cheering for what would likely be an assault charge on a child???
Classy



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Let that be a lesson to all teachers out there. If you're going to lose your job anyway, make it worth your while. Knock the kid into next week.




I'm glad I rechecked this thread.

So you're cheering for what would likely be an assault charge on a child???
Classy


Technically the kid could have been charged for throwing the milkshake. The best route if people want to get physical, is to throw them in a ring with gloves. 16 is old enough to fight someone of any age. I remember sparring with 30 year olds when I was that age.

If you don't want to get physical, don't get physical. The kid made the first step in this case though...



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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When I was in school I saw a high-school senior who weighed about 235lbs sucker punch a science teacher he disliked who was around 55 and weighed about 165lbs.

Some kids deserve it if they act like that.....



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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This reminds me of the time a big 17 year old thug type player in high school was throwing things around the room and cursing at the teacher and calling him names ( the kids used to call this teacher Underdog behind his back because he was a 60 year old short 5 foot man with thick glasses and resembled Underdog from the cartoon) The teacher had been taking crap like this for years. This was the last straw. The teacher, an ex green beret picked up this 5 foot 7 180 lbs kid with one hand and held him high up against a locker. Everyone saw it. and told him in no uncertain terms never to act that way in his class again.

People had a new found respect for Underdog after that.

This teacher did not get into any trouble at all, no cops were called. This is the way it should have been before the world got so political correct happy. This was 1984.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
I wonder what would happen to a kid in an Islamic school if he did this to his teacher? Are the kids in Islamic based schools better behaved because of the structure?

I was fired from an after-school program for 4-5 graders for saying the word, "damn"...damn....

Were you a member of the union or offered membership?
Public or Private School?


No, This has nothing to do with unions but "zero tolerance"..... another asinine policy in our school system!

The girl Kayla wanted to sit with her boy friend and tried to use it...

public school after school program where we tutored for the SOL test and helped the kids with their homework.

Though I worked through the laborers International Union on gas pipeline, power plants, bridges and even 18 months in a nuke plant, asbestos and hazardous waste removal.....

I like to think of it as rounding out my experience... HA HA HA



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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All depend's on how the teacher was treating the student as well, I've had power abusive teachers try to lay there hands on me and I'm sure as hell not going to let him touch me. Any physical contact towards a individual by a teacher can be met with appropriate force, they know damn well they're not supposed to touch students and if they don't like that then quit simple as that. A teacher from my senior year tried to grab one of the line backers from the football team in the hallway and that student put him in his place as he should have.

They are teachers and nothing more they don;t like the rules QUIT. Simple as that they have NO right to lay hands on anybody. There are plenty of cases where the teacher is out of line it isn't always the student's fault and if you don't like being tormented by student's which comes with teaching then hey guess what... QUIT. There's no way around it and I don't know how many times I've repeated that to people. It's a different world and kids now a days know much more about the law and the way things are run then they are giving credit for.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Teachers cannot even touch the kids in any way. You asked for it, because you are all so terrified of the millions of PEDOPHILES that live in your TV. The obvious solution is for teachers to call the COPS for just about anything. That way they can't be fired. Then when the cops come in and taze the $(*%^ out of the little tykes, everyone can squawk about how bad that is. Of course, you can't fire the cops. You made your bed, now lie in it.
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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Yea you sound like the teachers that used to say that at my school, also what you just suggested is highly illegal and if found out you all conspired as such you would have all lost your job. But back to what I was saying they said the same thing to my friend and guess what he dropped right out and is now about to take over a multi-million dollar construction company 2 years later and is making twice the teacher's salary.
So what they're going no where? Just because your a teacher doesn't mean you know how the world works. How I like to look at it as is teachers are people who never actually wanted to get out in the real world so guess what they never left high school.
Surprise much



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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Kids today have nothing to fear in regard to their behavior and don't have the wisdom to understand consiquences for their actions yet.


This is just so the parents or school can send/recommend these kids to the hospital to get dosed and put on long term medication. I hate using the term medication.. lets call it problem pills. These children then come into school not the same by no means they're essentially zombified. What a healthy, modern and intelligent society we live in!

"Have you drugged your kid today?!"
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I was such a bad kid my teachers would literally pin me down holding my arms and sitting on my legs. This would go on for hours sometimes. I even remember a teacher dragging me out of the classroom in my desk and sliding me across the hall into the wall. An another time a teacher picked me up by my neck because I was choking some kid for talking to a girl I liked. This all happened from year 2000-2004. It eventually got to the point where they would no longer send the principal into class to get me. They'd send the cops. I'm so glad I grew out of my rebellious state. I'm now a perfect little drone citizen, living paycheck to paycheck and loving life and everyone in it. This is my American dream and I wouldn't want it any other way.
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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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Excellent point.

but there is another way other than teachers to make sure children behave in school without the need for teachers getting heavy handed or taking matters into their own hands. good parenting. sure you get some kids that have mental or learning issues but most of it is just bad parenting, just parents who don't make time to educate their kids about respect and the importance of it.

think about it, why should teachers be responsible for creating a well behaved child in the first place, the teachers are there to teach subjects, not sort out behavioral problems because the parents are to lazy, that is the parents job and it started the day they decided to have a child.

parents need to be forced to take responsibility for the child they decide to bring into the world and who they are responsible for raising correctly. therefore if a child who is not responsible until they are 18 effects other people in bad ways due to their behavior the only blame can surely be placed on those who were responsible for their upbringing.

it is not fair that other people have to suffer due to other peoples kids because some parents cannot be bothered or had no idea what having a child was all about or entailed.
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posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Throw a milkshake at someone and it's equal to spitting on someone, which both can be prosecuted as assault (criminally).
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personally i think that there is a pretty big difference between being spat on and being hit with milkshake... and if i insisted on someone being charged by the police because i got hit by some strawberry milkshake i would never show my face in public again.
teachers are not in the business of criminalising students without good reason either, and ego (ie: "i have been humiliated and want him punished) is not a good reason. it was a milkshake, move on, no one got punched, the chair was only thrown at a table in an empty canteen at the end of the incident - much worse happens everyday.
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posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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I'm not saying the kid should be criminalized. But he ought to know if he is going to become physical (throwing an object at someone) then there may be consequences such as being restrained.

From the article it says neither his parents nor him complained about the event. So maybe he got the message....



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:03 AM
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this whole idea of "punch the kid in the face" or whatever is great if you are on the street, go for it, as many have said the child in question was sixteen. obviously though some kids look older than their age so be carefull not to punch a thirteen or fourteen year old folks, as you wont all feel so tough when that gets out


and as an educator, if you resort to force like that, you've lost... and you need to ask your self "is that all i have got?" - as a professional, as well as being a responsible intelligent adult, you should really have a lot more in your tool kit than throwing a right hander.
would it have been a better situation if the teacher and student had a stand up fight in front of a canteen full of students, what if the teacher took a beating, he doent look to spry to me, i reckon an angry 16 yr old would have given him a beating.
the way you react to things as an adult determines how others see you and takes you down different paths in life (obviously) - all that happened to this teacher is he got called some rude names and hit with milkshake and he went ballistic, his choice of reaction which led him to continue going over the top in his unprofessional actions, in an incident he quite probably should not even have intervened in. i've already pointed out what he should have done in earlier posts, but no, he had to get involved and keep escalating matters, as was bourne out in his tribunal.
he probably does not deserve to lose his job but then we have the famously awful scandal sheet the daily mail as the only source - there is going to be more info but we dont know it, but his actions as a teacher so far in over reacting would make it pretty difficult to return to work without every student ripping the piss out of him whenever they like, and if he hadnt chosen to over react and lose it, then that option would not be available with anything like the same potency. the teacher really did handle the whole debacle poorly.



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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Star for you for provoking some thought from me...


Some kids need a little more than mental manipulation. And I don't mean that they should all be beat down or other nonsense. There are some that are just inclined to violence, or physical contact, but it doesn't make them bad either. Which is why it's good for schools to have wrestling and boxing programs so they can get that out of their system and learn some discipline.

There are many sides to the coin, you can have a large student who has matured physically beyond his age, picking on a teacher. And you can have the same vice versa.

If people want to be physical, they should be in a ring, a cage, a mat... Where it actually brings something positive to their lives. A young fellow I know got in all sorts of trouble before he took up contact sports, and after communicated better with most people, because he got the physical urge to hit someone out of his system. Also learned about things like patience, etc.

The bottom line is everyone is different. And there is no cookie cutter means to teach every child the same where it will work equally for each student.

Imagine a caste system for the schools where they identify which students are which and put them into appropiate programs. Not very politically correct but who knows what it would result in.

Kids strong/interested in:

...athletics are focused into athletic programs.
... math into primary math oriented programs
....computers, into a technology based program.
....Reading, an English based program.

etc, etc.

I doubt that may ever happen (Besides the useless visit to the school councillor to choose courses- USELESS)

But it might make for a good novel...

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posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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i completely agree that kids need more than mental manipulation, i work with education and highly challenging behaviour and you have to be intuitive, emotionally detatched in incidents, and creative. building good relationships with your students, working out what helps them, what makes them tick, and inspiring them is where it all starts - and like you point out, not treating them with a cookie cutter mentality, and providing an outlet for energy and frustration is invaluable



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:41 AM
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To look back at this story, the teacher looks a little sour. But probably is as students are near warehoused with most education systems. In private school it's much different. They are coddled, allowed to express themselves, and push towards their interests in an academic manner meanwhile staying well rounded.

Of course, not everyone can afford 10,000+ a year for their kids.

Some wouldn't pay it if they had it.

So were left with children who have problems at home, and probably transfer their anger onto the teachers. Who knows why this kid is the way he is, but he is certainly in need of a positive change in his life. I firmly believe in coming down hard, but only if you at the same time give options to fix a bad situation.

In the case of the teacher, without a history of mistreating students, it's odd the overseers decided to go after him without a complaint from the parents or the student.

Again, reviewing the thread, my previous comments, and the article, I think the best course of action after this event probably would been to sit the student, teacher, parents and school board members at a round table meeting and discuss the events.

We go through life with so much paper pushing nonsense, sometimes it helps just having a chat about something, without the thought of it mattering much. Honesty and all that...



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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agreed


i guess i have to write a 2nd line? beware the daily mail, peeps! the facts will be well hidden amongst the shock and horror



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 03:50 AM
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I am a child of the 70's and 80's, from the UK, and we had the ruler on our hands when we were naughty in the junior school, and the cane and the strap when we were in the secondary school. We also had a dunces corner too, if we played up too much in the juniors, did us no harm, and didn't damage our little sensitivities. Discipline is what is missing from schools and childrens lives nowadays, A good smack on the backside, does no harm. All this human rights, politically correct tripe, will be the ruination of generations to come.



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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i'm a child of 70's and 80's britain too, and one of the teachers in my junior school was particularly well known for slapping us across the backs of our legs when she felt we deserved it, which turned out to be rather often for me and many of my friends. we did not take this as torture and i still remember her as a good teacher rather than as some kind of monster or whatever...
we could also get the tawse (sp?)in juniors, which was a bit like a strap or a board, i dont remember as i only saw it once when the headteacher bought it out for show - it really did the trick for me, and i'm not sure if i remember it being used more than a couple of times in my four years of junior school.
in seniors too, you could get the cane - i went to a big comp in not so far from your location now and plenty of serious student incidents happened there that far far exceed anything in the OP. i couldnt image some of the usual suspects at my old seniour school being forced to accept a caning, all hell would really have broken loose.
are things really so different today for a lack of corporal punishment?
i went to a pretty good school 25 years ago (honest!), but you could still buy drugs there, there was always a thirteen year old girl or three with a bun in the oven and teachers got assaulted at times, just like today.
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