Hello, ATS. In light of recent events in Libya with an American Ambassador I thought it would be nice to have a healthy discussion about the radical
Muslim's book of choice. I have a heavy interest in the topic of The Koran and have found that finding UNBIASED information dissecting verses is
nearly impossible. The best thing to do when researching the book is reading the arguments of both sides, then comparing them to the historical
context and drawing your own informed decision. Now i'm creating this thread PURELY for information purposes, I really want to just learn more and
see what others have to say about the book of The Koran. As some of you may know distinctions have been made between The Koran and Mein Kampf by
Dutch politician Geert Wilders. When I went to research this idea, and all I could immediately find was a rigid fundamentalist website comparing the
two books vaguely with statements such as:
Mein Kampf- States that Germans are the superior race of mankind and that Germany is destined to rule the world , and dominate all other races and
The Q'uran-States that Islam and Muslims are the superiors of mankind and that Islam is divinely mandated to rule the world and dominate all other
races, creeds and nations.
Mein Kampf-Says that the German State is to have control over every aspect of life. Says all individuals must submit to the State.
The Q'uran-Says that Islam and Sharia is to have control over every aspect of life. Says all individuals must submit to Islam.
(Given the nature of the discussion I want to state that I am ONLY looking at THESE TWO BOOKS, no hadiths, no quotes, nothing else, just the TWO BOOKS
ALONE. With that being said this comparison is incorrect because NOWHERE in Mein Kampf does Hitler make a derogatory statement against homosexuals.
This is a common misconception. I'm not looking at any quotes from Hitler OUTSIDE of Mein Kampf.)
I'm not sure of the origin of the preceding list (I copied and pasted from here.
), but it is plain to
see that it is extremely biased. I'm sure somewhere on the internet there is an article comparing verses and quotes from Mein Kampf and The Koran,
but having read both books I decided to draw my own untainted unbiased conclusion. So here it is, a few select verses from The Koran which supposedly
prove the preceding statements, and quotes from Mein Kampf which also support such accusations. If any of you have verses to add, contradictions, or
anything else PLEASE let me know that is THE PURPOSE of this thread, I'm here to learn more and I have faith that the ATS community will help me do
Wilders claims that The Koran is comparable to Hitler's autobiography "Mein Kampf." Interestingly enough, this distinction between the two books has
been made before by media figures like Bill O'Reilly on his show "The O'Reilly Factor" and even by men greatly revered in history such as Winston
Churchill. Churchill was actually comparing Mein Kampf to The Koran instead of vice versa in his book "The Gathering Storm" he says Hitler's Mein
Kampf is "…the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message."(1) In a parliamentary speech Wilders makes
clear his stance: "Madam Speaker, let me start with the foundation of the Islamic faith, the Koran. The Koran’s core theme is about the duty of all
Muslims to fight non-Muslims; an Islamic Mein Kampf, in which fight means war, jihad. The Koran is above all a book of war – a call to butcher
non-Muslims (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4).”(2) In order to first be
able to understand how the comparison is made it is critical to understand the main points Hitler is trying to make in Mein Kampf.
Mein Kampf attempts to create a vision of Aryan dominance in the world, asserting that the Germanic race of Aryan humans is the perfect type of man
and thus suited to rule the world. "Nazi philosophy by no means believes in an equality of races, but along with their difference it recognizes their
higher or lesser value and feels itself obligated to promote the victory of the better and stronger, and demand the subordination of the inferior and
weaker in accordance with the eternal will that dominates this universe." Hitler then goes on to dictate more about his ‘blessed’ race by saying
“All the human culture, all the results of art, science, and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of
the Aryan." After unleashing rhetoric of Aryan domination Hitler mentions the enemy of Aryans, the Jewish people: "the personification of the Devil,
as the symbol of all evil, assumes the living appearance of the Jew"(3)
The idea of worldly dominance by a specific race of people is favored in Mein Kampf, but the relevance of this concept in regards to The Koran is
still highly debated. One verse in The Koran which is comparable to the preceding quotes from Mein Kampf is Surah 4:89: "They wish you would
disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they
turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper." Again, with Wilders' more radical
interpretation of this verse it is simpler to draw a comparison between Hitler's glorification of the "Aryan race" and Muhammad's unrelenting faith in
Allah and the people of Islam to follow him. It is also helpful to keep in mind that Mein Kampf was dictated by Hitler whilst he was prison, and The
Koran was written by Muhammad through supposedly divine inspiration from Allah.
Without focusing too much attention on the globalization aspects of The Koran and Mein Kampf it may be simpler to draw