reply to post by ipsedixit
America is the dominant power in the world today and it wants oil. It will stop at nothing to get control of the oil in the Middle East and Central
Asia, even to the point of staging the 9/11 attacks.
Look at the way you reply back. So confident that you couldn't be wrong, even in the face of reason.
Do you acknowledge the existence of Islamism? You mentioned it earlier so it appears that you do. If yes, then America didn't need to stage
911, but simply take advantage and even enable the Islamists to carry out a terrorist attack.
If you observe the metaphysics and theology of Islam, and of Ash'arite, Salafiya, Wahhabi, doctrine, along with the writings of Hassan Al-Banna, the
founder of the Muslim brotherhood, there is a direct continuity of a certain metaphysical and theological doctrine from 700 CE to the modern era; the
same ideas and mentality which Islam grew from, animates current Islamic mentality. Thus, there was bound
to be conflict in our modern era
between the west and Islam; a recurrence of the battles in the religious middle ages.
Therefore, understanding the radical doctrines of the Islamists explains first: the ideological authenticity of the enemies beliefs. They aren't made
up, and only an ignoramus or deceiver would claim they are. Secondly, it provides the elite you refer to - anglo-american establishment - the perfect
pretext for creating the situation that currently exists. Islamism - instead of being created by the west, is being used
by the west. Maybe
western leaders stand to make a sumptuous profit in starting wars; or maybe some longer term globalist agenda somehow fits in, and making a profit in
the process is just a perk of secondary interest.
This to me explains the presence of 2 problems. In the west, we have our corrupt leaders. And in the orient, we have the emergent threat of Islamism,
both in the form of Iran's theocratic government - which avidly awaits the occulation of their 12th Imam - and Egypt's newly elected Islamist
government, headed by a representative of the Muslim Brotherhood. Also, the Free Syrian Army is Islamist, meaning, the party which could lead to the
ousting of the Assad regime is the same types of people who took over Egypt, and also vying for power in Libya. Then you have Hezbollah in Southern
Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.
The Islamist movement is stronger today than 6 years ago when Bush was in power; Since Obama entered, the Muslim world has been helped by the US state
department; Brotherhood came to power in Egypt, the Assad government is being threatened by an Islamist opposition - and both frankly - Mubarak in
Egypt and Assad in Syria - even if an agent of the west and a lackey of socialist dogma - are preferable to helping build a united Islamist front in
Egypt, Gaza, Syria, Iran against western interests, values and civilization. Self interest should never devolve into suicide. It's either us or
The Old Testament is full of war and vengeance and smiting thine enemies. The Koran also endorses smiting infidels. Islam, as is not stated but
strongly implied in the Koran
It doesn't matter what is stated in the scriptural texts, but in hows it's interpreted by the theologians. Do Jews see God in the way Islam see's God?
No. The Jewish God is interactive; he is also bound by his reason and justice i.e. the episode where Abraham questions Gods justice to kill innocents
with the wicked in Sodom. Allah is the Absolute - the Godhead who cannot be made contingent; to bound him by reason is to take away from his
omnipotence, therefore, God is either the All, or man blasphemies against him.
Islamic scholars see everything in terms of transcendence: literally everything. People do not exist, we are mere shadows of Gods action. Cause and
Effect dont exist, they are illusions facillitated by Gods pure willing; and willing - willing transcends thought - and Allah is identified with Will.
And the Quran; the Quran transcends reason - being a revelation i.e. an intuitive discovery of Mohammad. Because the Quran is one with God i.e. bound
with him through it's transcendence, than all actions in order to be in tune with transcendence cannot be predicated on reason i.e. reason means to be
bound, and God is not bound by reason, so neither is man, but in revelation i.e. the Quran. Thus, when a Muslim has a moral problem, what do he/she
do? Do they use their 'reason' i.e. conscience? No. Islam finds solutions only
in the Quran: they call a hotline to get in touch with an imam -
one trained in revelation i.e. Quran and Hadith - to instruct them how to act.
Islam is a religion that stresses memorization, not moral insight into right and wrong.
Of course, I speak only of the mainstream Islamic school of thought. There is also Avicenna, Averroes and proponents of a more rational Islam, but thy
quickly lost steam in the early Islamic period (700 CE - 1200 CE), and since then Al Ghazali, Ibn Arabi etc have dominated thinking in Sunni Islam.
I don't really believe that Islam is a seminal force in the politics of the region
You are unbelievably wrong about that, Given all I've written, I hope you understand why that is. It is IMPOSSIBLE when the preconditions - Islamic
society in how it has been for the last 1300 years has made no room for the development of foreign thought; so where can this idea of yours that Islam
has no "seminal force" in the politics of the region come from? What was it built upon?
Islam is and remains the strongest force in the entire Islamic world - from Mauritania in the west to Indonesia in the east; and the myriad of states
in between. Islam is the state religion; Islam is the religion of the vast majority of the people - yet you think it isn't a "seminal force"? I don't
deny the presence of smaller segments, but the majority and major power is Islam. And it's become more apparent day by day as more and more greater
middle east governments become Islamist.
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