Identity of anti-Muslim filmmaker called into question

I ask in another forum "could the US have engineered the riots"... and then I see this one. Great minds think alike, but mine's a tad behind schedule.

Can this get any more bizarre?

One activist from Riverside County said the film was produced by naturalized Americans who came from Arab countries. Steve Klein, who said he served as a script consultant, said that he and the producers originally called the movie "Innocence of Bin Laden" in hopes of drawing underground Islamic extremists in the Los Angeles area.

So, now, Steve Klein says he was a script consultant, but...

Klein said the movie was filmed this year, but he would not reveal the shooting location or the names of the producers. "Innocence of Bin Laden" premiered at the Vine Theater in late June, according to three people with knowledge of the event. One said that the movie was notable for its terrible acting but did not seem anti-Muslim.

So, three people who saw the movie claim that the acting was terrible but it did NOT seem anti-Muslim?

And then all of a sudden, it becomes anti-Muslim two weeks later?

Less than two weeks later, a 14-minute trailer for the movie — now called "Innocence of Muslims" — was posted on YouTube by a user identifying himself as Sam Bacile. The scenes in the trailer portrayed the prophet Muhammad as a buffoon, suicidal, gay, lascivious and condoning of pedophilia.

A crew member told The Times the cast and crew were told the film was to be a war drama called "Desert Warrior." In his email interview with The Times, the crew member, who asked not to be identified, said the dialogue in the trailer that makes specific attacks against Islam was re-recorded after the actors left the set. "The original actors said one word, and then the producer and editing team (whom I don't know) dubbed," he wrote. "It's unmistakable that most dubbed portions are a different voice than the original actor."

www.latimes.com...

reply to post by Deetermined


So the original intent could have been as a honeypot to draw in local extremists but it was then dubbed over to be insulting?

You can't make this crap up!

I think Nakoula is muslim himself and his actions were a lot like the actions of the Pakistani muslim cleric who planted evidence on the 14 years old girl so she could be legally executed for blasphemy.

and all of these things are being done to incite nations against one another.

it seems nothing can be done except to sit around and watch this train wreck.

Originally posted by wylekat
I ask in another forum "could the US have engineered the riots"... and then I see this one. Great minds think alike, but mine's a tad behind schedule.

are you suggesting that the US engineered the Arab Spring and then in an attempt to undo its own work engineered the current situation in the very same countries, where the second time around it results in the destruction of its own embassies and the death of an Ambassador?

to what end, please expand.

I was thinking that the Arab Spring was engineered by non-state actors and that it failed so now they are giving it another shot.

More interesting information regarding Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (aka Sam Bacile):

But why Nakoula brought Klein into the production is another mystery. Most likely, it was due to Klein’s background. A 61-year-old former Marine who works in the insurance business, Klein founded the anti-abortion and anti-Islamic group Courageous Christians United, and has helped train paramilitary militias at a church in California, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Klein also worked at the Duarte studio on a TV show for Arabic Christian station The Way TV. He reportedly said a man named “Bacile” approached him because of his involvement in protests at mosques. The director also told Klein the film could help attact and expose “Muslim Brotherhood” cells operating in California.

Nor was Klein the only activist to have been approached. The anti-Islam Florida pastor, Terry Jones, told reporters he was approached by “Bacile,” and has since come out in support of the video. Washington-based Coptic Christian activist Morris Sadek also promoted the film on his website. Even weirder, the YouTube account that hosts the film uses the name “sam bacile,” and had favorited a video uploaded by the ultra-right Egyptian Al-Nour Party.

www.wired.com...


Who is the Egyptian Al-Nour Party?

The Al-Nour Party (Arabic: حزب النور‎, Ḥizb Al-Nūr) ("Party of The Light") is one of the political parties created in Egypt after the 2011 Egyptian Revolution. It has an ultra-conservative Islamist ideology, which believes in implementing strict Sharia law.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Reflected


It is a bit of a stretch to compare it to an insurance situation. Muslim extremists wouldn't waste money financing a film that denigrates their religion in such a way that it would need to be protested. It would be like Pat Robertson financing The Last Temptation of Christ. It is a cultural issue and by making themselves any party to the process of making the film, they would infact by their own beliefs make themselves the infidel. It is easy to twist religion into a basis for waging war it is entire different thing to try and twist it to where making this film would be considered a holy endeavor.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by KeliOnyx

 

Steve Klein has/had absolutely no idea who he was working with.

In fact, it looks like the title of the film has been changed before...

“Bacile” also claimed in his initial interview with the AP that “The Innocence of Muslims” was shown to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, which has since been pinpointed as L.A’s Vine Theater.

A worker at the theater told FoxNews.com: “The film we screened was titled ‘The Innocence of Bin Laden’ ", adding that the film was in English without any subtitles or Arabic. The worker said it was a “small viewing.” The L.A Times reported it was an “earlier version” of the movie, and fewer than ten seats in the theater were filled.

Another of the film’s promoters, Steve Klein, told The Atlantic that he did not know Steve Bacile’s “real name,” and that they only met once and spoke for about an hour. “He’s not Israeli… His name is a pseudonym,” Klein told the magazine. “All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he’s Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign.”

www.foxnews.com...

The question now is, how much involvement did Steve Klein really have? How well did he know "Bacile"? The article above says they only met once and spoke for an hour. Was his job as a "consultant" only to PROMOTE the movie? Just like Terry Jones? Jones didn't have any involvement in making the movie either, but he did try to promote it.

By the way, it was Klein who was quoted stating that the main people behind the making of the movie was from Syria, Turkey, Iran, etc.

Lots of unanswered questions still hanging.

What reason did "Bacile" have to first state he was Israeli? When he admitted to others that he was Egyptian? It doesn't make sense.

edit on 13-9-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

He had involvement from day one by his own admission. It was made in attempt for him to play secret agent, and help him spot Al Qaeda terror cells in LA. Because that is what whack job racist vigilantes do. Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iran all have sizable populations of Coptic Christians.

And finally it makes perfect sense if you are trying to get a violent reaction out the Middle East.The film was ignored when it was released, the trailer was ignored when it was put on YouTube in July. It only got the attention that Klein and his hateful despicable friends wanted when they translated the trailer to Arabic and got attention for it by telling people it was made for 5 million dollars and financed by 10 Jews. At which point the Arab press got wind of it. These fundy Christians want one thing, to hurry the end of the world because they are certain we live in the end times.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by Reflected

 

It is a bit of a stretch to compare it to an insurance situation. Muslim extremists wouldn't waste money financing a film that denigrates their religion in such a way that it would need to be protested. It would be like Pat Robertson financing The Last Temptation of Christ. It is a cultural issue and by making themselves any party to the process of making the film, they would infact by their own beliefs make themselves the infidel. It is easy to twist religion into a basis for waging war it is entire different thing to try and twist it to where making this film would be considered a holy endeavor.

I think you need to do some research on all of the infighting that goes on between all of the different factions of Islam extremists and what each one is willing to do in order to gain power in the Middle East. It's very complicated and deceiving.

Maybe this will help to give you some insight.

"Struggle for Ideological Upper Hand in Muslim World Seen as Factor in Attacks"

Bernard Haykel, a professor of Middle East studies at Princeton University, said, “It’s true that there are sanctions against insulting the Prophet, but this is really about political or symbolic opportunists, who use religious symbols to advance their own power or prestige against other groups.

” Libya and Egypt are especially vulnerable to this kind of contest over symbols and power; their new national governments are still insecure about the exercise of authority, and newly empowered ultraconservative religious groups — mostly known as Salafis — are keen to assert their visibility and influence against other factions. Libya, in particular, remains a checkerboard of militias, some of them composed of Salafis, who have proved themselves capable of intimidating the newly elected government.

www.nytimes.com...

The mysterious “Sam Bacile” supposedly spoke to The Associated Press, The Wall Street Journal and The Times of Israel, claiming to be a California real estate developer and an Israeli Jew who raised $5 million for the film from 100 other nameless Jewish donors.

-I have a film and video production degree... this movie did NOT take $5million to make... not even close! It was made for next to nothing!

-Notice how the caller claims to be an Israeli Jew and claims support from hundreds of other NAMELESS JEWS... the director is most likely NOT an Israeli Jew.

See where I'm going with this?
Looks like someone's scapegoating yet again.

Trying to get the short tempered moslems to attack and kill all the jews... like they really need this movie to push them. The korans been pushing them since it was written.

reply to post by KeliOnyx


I've already provided information in this thread that Nakoula is most likely a member of the Egyptian Al-Nour Party, making him a Salafi and not a Christian Coptic after all. He's a poser and I think it's going to come out.

I'm thinking an Islamic terrorist would be more apt to get busted for trafficking meth in 1997 and federal bank fraud in 2010 then a Christian Coptic would.

After all, it's apparently OK to do these kinds of things in the name of Islam as long as it's being used to promote Islam.

Edit to add: I can't think of a better set up than one where an Islamic terrorist sets up a Christian Coptic like Steve Klein and a fanatic like Terry Jones to take the fall.

Originally posted by Deetermined
More interesting information regarding Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (aka Sam Bacile):

But why Nakoula brought Klein into the production is another mystery. Most likely, it was due to Klein’s background. A 61-year-old former Marine who works in the insurance business, Klein founded the anti-abortion and anti-Islamic group Courageous Christians United, and has helped train paramilitary militias at a church in California, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Klein also worked at the Duarte studio on a TV show for Arabic Christian station The Way TV. He reportedly said a man named “Bacile” approached him because of his involvement in protests at mosques. The director also told Klein the film could help attact and expose “Muslim Brotherhood” cells operating in California.

Nor was Klein the only activist to have been approached. The anti-Islam Florida pastor, Terry Jones, told reporters he was approached by “Bacile,” and has since come out in support of the video. Washington-based Coptic Christian activist Morris Sadek also promoted the film on his website. Even weirder, the YouTube account that hosts the film uses the name “sam bacile,” and had favorited a video uploaded by the ultra-right Egyptian Al-Nour Party.

www.wired.com...


Who is the Egyptian Al-Nour Party?

The Al-Nour Party (Arabic: حزب النور‎, Ḥizb Al-Nūr) ("Party of The Light") is one of the political parties created in Egypt after the 2011 Egyptian Revolution. It has an ultra-conservative Islamist ideology, which believes in implementing strict Sharia law.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 13-9-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

Yes because if your hosting hate parties at your house it is convenient to have video clips to show that you are right. This isn't interesting or very hard to figure out.

reply to post by KeliOnyx

These fundy Christians want one thing, to hurry the end of the world because they are certain we live in the end times.

And That is just about the most scary thing. The real radicalized religious whackos are in the west wearing suit and tie as they pray to God for destruction. And who has the real powder to bring about the end of the world? The same religulous churchbots with their finger on the "trigger" of Armageddon. Of course, as far as they are concerned they will be doing it for our own good.

reply to post by KeliOnyx


Except the article didn't say that Nakoula downloaded the video.

It says that Nakoula "favorited" the video, which was uploaded by the Egyptian Al-Nour Party.

By the way, none of these other Coptic Christians even knew Nakoula's real name or anything about him.

reply to post by intrptr


Christians don't pray for destruction. They pray for the return of Jesus.

Unlike the Islamists, who claim that an actual war has to break out before the Mahdi will return.

That's not written in the Christian Bible, however, it is written in the Qu'ran.

Here are a couple of facts:

On June 4 the White House confirmed that the US had killed Abu Yahya Al-Libi - OBL's Libyan lietenant who had moved into Al Qaeda's #2 spot after Ayman Zahawiri after the Navy SEALs whacked OBL.

On Tuesday 9/11, a tape was released of Zawahiri announcing that Libi had been killed earlier this year by a US drone attack. The Zawahiri tape was made during Ramadan which ended in the middle of last month. Zawahiri called for his terrorist underlings to avenge Libi's death and especially exhorted Libyans to take revenge.

The attack in Libya was well planned and executed. It wasn't about a spontaneous protest against some ridiculous internet movie of Muhammad. The assailants came armed to the teeth, with among other things, RPG 7s. They knew that the US Ambassador was in Benghazi rather than Tripoli. They knew how to track his movements, and were able to strike against him after he and his colleagues left the consulate building and tried to flee in a car. As Israel Channel 2's Arab Affairs Correspondent Ehud Yaari noted this evening, you don't often see well trained terrorists participating in protests of movies.

Then there is the attack in Cairo. They were led by Mohammad Zawahiri - Ayman Zawahiri's brother. According the Thomas Josclyn in the Weekly Standard, the US media has been idiotically presenting him as some sort of moderate despite the fact that in an interview with Al Jazeerah he said said, "We in al Qaeda..."

Egypt's US supported Muslim Brotherhood President Mohamed Morsi recently released Zawahiri from Egyptian prison. The same Barack Obama who has no time in his schedule to meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu next week in New York, is scheduled to meet Morsi.

The Egyptian government has not condemned the attack on the US Embassy in Cairo. But Morsi is demanding that the US government prosecute the film's creator.

You may be wondering how some movie no one's heard of has caused such a hullabaloo. Well, as it turns out, the film was screened on an Egyptian Salafist television channel. Obviously the Salafists -- many of whom, like Zawahiri were released from prison by Morsi, wanted to stir up anti-US violence on the eve of 9/11. So if the film is responsible for the violence, a finger needs to be pointed to its chief distributor -- Al Qaida's Egyptian friends and members.

With these facts in hand, it is clear that the attempts to present these acts of war against the US as the consequence of some stupid nothing movie are obscene attempts to deflect the blame for these unwarranted attacks onto their victims and away from their perpetrators.

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reply to post by Maluhia


Holy cow! That's a fantastic find!! Let's roll with this - if it does mean "blames cia" then obviously the CIA would not have been behind this...right? If not the CIA then who? MOSSAD? Terrorists? Another three letter agency?

reply to post by dontreally


I absolutely agree with everything you've said, with one exception.

I think the movie's creation was actually part of the overall plan to deflect attention away from the terrorists and onto Americans and Jews. I don't think that it was just a convenient tool at the time, but I could be wrong.

Somewhere near the bottom line in all of this is surely the well founded assumption that many of the people who fought to get Gaddafi out of power were in fundamental agreement with him on one important point, that American influence in the Middle East, North Africa and Libya in particular should be minimal if not zero.

The idea that America has genuine friends in a place like Libya is rediculous, the efforts of the late Mr. Stevens and the Fulbright Foundation notwithstanding.

If it wasn't this movie, it would have been something else.

Libya has been destabilized because America and NATO worked hard to get it destabilized. They won't get stability again until they get another Gaddafi into power. American interests in Libya have a "catch 22" built into them.

America can't have what it wants in Libya, without getting someone into power who by his very nature won't give it what it wants. Catch 22.

Read the book Hillary. It's a gem.

Are people actually ignorant enough to think it would take a conspiracy to ignite violence in the middle east, really... All it takes is a Family Guy episode. The fact is this video came out in July, months ago, it just took the sand golliwogs a few months to translate it. Focus on something important, or god forbid, a real conspiracy. I'm not calling anyone ignorant, never, but jeez, all it takes is a sneeze in the middle east to ignite that tinderbox. Now let's move on to fluoridation or something interesting, heh heh.