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"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."
"...he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172."
"This guy could not solo a Cessna 150 ... and what I mean by solo is a pilot's first time out without anyone in the cockpit with him. It's the most simple, the most fundamental flying exercise one can engage in..."
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane,"
"...the unidentified pilot [Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver."
"Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill..."
The hijackers set the flight's autopilot heading for Washington, D.C.[25]
en.wikipedia.org...
"At 9:29, the autopilot on American 77 was disengaged;..."
*9/11 Commission Report, chapter 1, page 9. www.9-11commission.gov...
Many modern autopilots can receive data from a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver installed on the aircraft. A GPS receiver can determine a plane's position in space by calculating its distance from three or more satellites in the GPS network. Armed with such positioning information, an autopilot can do more than keep a plane straight and level -- it can execute a flight plan.
"Couldnt fly, military plane, fighter jet, extraordinary skill, autopilot, no autopilot"...
Just another point in the search for the truth.
Originally posted by Daemonicon
Even if the auto-pilot was used, is it possible for the plane to fly in such a way, that even experienced Air Traffic Controllers thought it was a military fighter jet?
I'm not making any claims, I just cannot imagine flipping an autopilot on would allow a commercial jet to turn into a military-esque fighter jet.edit on 12-9-2012 by Daemonicon because: Didn't meant to reply to
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane,"
Biggest problem most of the hijackers had was poor coomand of English, which is standard language of
air traffic
Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by gladtobehere
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane,"
It's called over controlling. Go to airliners.net and read postings there (not 911 stuff). They state you have to control far ahead of what you want the plane to do. Other wise you over control in an attempt to put the plane in the position you want. ie lined up with the runway.
Everybody can fly a jet for a few minutes otherwise Microsoft's Flight Sim wouldn't be so popular.
"I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower.
I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it.
The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn…
For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying.
Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous..."
Well I consider the opinions of experts in their respective fields. One of these people is Capt. Russ Wittenberg, US Air Force, who flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 30 years having logged 30,000+ hours:
Well I consider the opinions of experts in their respective fields.
One of these people is Capt. Russ Wittenberg, US Air Force, who flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 30 years having logged 30,000+ hours:
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by gladtobehere
Well I consider the opinions of experts in their respective fields.
No you don't. There have been literally thousands of people that have flown those planes over the years, where is the mass expression of disbelief? Or are they all "in on it"?
One of these people is Capt. Russ Wittenberg, US Air Force, who flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 30 years having logged 30,000+ hours:
One?
I couldn't help but notice in your other reply to this post that you knew what time the pilot turned off the auto-pilot.
I will admit I don't know much about a lot of things, so I must ask 'How do you know that'??
I guess the auto-pilot sent a signal to ground control when it is turn off and on. I had not thought of this untill just now.
We'll talk more later, Hopper
Originally posted by hdutton
reply to post by hooper
My bad! Hopper.
I read right past the time that everyone else must have known.
I am a little surprised that you took this as fact, which would need to be varified by a witness, and yet seem to refuse to look at the opinions of those still alive who could point of any flaws in the OS.