U.S. eyes Al-Qaeda in Ambassador Death

Just breaking. All I have seen so far is a headline wih no story or sourcing other than Fox news.

Yes fox news, get over it. Surely you will recognize at least that the propaganda machine is going into full swing on this one. A group we just helped in Libya to take down a lesser evil now once again being demonized and thrown to the American public as an excuse to go to war.

We know they are in Libya, Somalia, Syria, and many others.

The question is, does this start the fire for full scale military action in any of these countries or will cooler heads prevail for once? Any involvement in Syria will lead to Iran, perhaps that is the master plan?

As more info comes I will provide more sourcing and cross-refernce.

CNN is up:Experts point to AQ link

First link of thigs to come:
US sending Marines to Libya - Sourced as well from the great Fox...

Just stumbled accross this and was wondering if this site has any credibility...if so this puts a further question on this turning into a false flag to blame on AQ to spur an agenda:Identity of anti-muslim filmaker called into question.

So the US is admitting they firebombed their own Embassy?

Sounds about right.

Al-Qaeda hasn't existed for a very long time and if they do, it's because of all that extra great training the CIA among other US proxy groups provided them.

Sorry but they claim that Al-Qaeda is behind everything these days. Just another fake boogie man they are trying scare you with.

The more probably answer is that it was just some pissed off Muslims.

~Tenth

But U.S. sources told CNN on Wednesday that the Benghazi attack had been planned in advance, and the attackers used the protest outside the consulate as a diversion. Obama said the violence was unwarranted.

CNN Yeah i know not any better then fox

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Al-Qaeda hasn't existed for a very long time and if they do, it's because of all that extra great training the CIA among other US proxy groups provided them.

Really?

A Jordanian told me 3 years ago that Al-Qaeda runs stalls, in the Middle East, in the same manner that the US army could run a stall at a country fair.

He had seen them with his own eyes.

Perhaps he was lying or perhaps they were a very clever CIA proxy operation. Or perhaps they were just Al-Qaeda.

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Do you believe that every group that calls itself al-Qaeda is actually a part of the globally run, syndicate that Osama Bin Laden and the CIA created in the 80's?

Or is it more likely that they are completely independant groups that simply chose to associate themselves with a once powerful terrorist network?

Either way, the origins of Al-Qaeda are very telling and should be used as an indication as to how that movement evolved and who might operate it, or at least heavily influence it's actiosn today. You can't deny that the US and every other nation with interests uses Proxy Groups to aid it's cause.

There's no denying that manufactured terror events have occured, for the sake of advancing a political or foreign policy agenda.

I simply don't trust the United States claiming a group it created are suddenly not playing ball anymore and looking for every reason to destroy them, even though they've been decimated at the leadership point, top tier at that, for almost a decade.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
So the US is admitting they firebombed their own Embassy?



The more probably answer is that it was just some pissed off Muslims.

~Tenth

Pissed and with a lot of fire power. Do the math...lol

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Do you believe that every group that calls itself al-Qaeda is actually a part of the globally run, syndicate that Osama Bin Laden and the CIA created in the 80's?

Or is it more likely that they are completely independant groups that simply chose to associate themselves with a once powerful terrorist network?

Do you believe that governments in the Middle East are indifferent to Al-Qaeda looking for funding and recruits in public?

Do you believe that governments in the Middle East are indifferent to 'completely independent groups' pretending to be Al-Qaeda and looking for funding and recruits in public?

Or is it more likely that the groups presenting themselves as Al-Qaeda are indeed Al-Qaeda?

I don't know, but the Jordanian seemed certain that they were Al-Qaeda.

Such evidence should not be discounted too readily.

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What it comes down to, is do you believe that one Jordian's experience is indicative of the entire country?

There are plenty of guys I see whom I think are undercover cops or CSIS. Doesn't mean they are because I'm a bit paranoid.

Now are they openly recruiting in the streets? Probably. It would make sense, considering these groups are largely funded by the puppet governments put in place by nations/organizations like the US and EU.

I have a lot of friends who come from Middle Eastern nations, many of whom still live there and they for the most part, claim that most proxy groups in those nations who commit acts of 'terror' are funded by outside backers who have big ties in the intelligence community.

Be it US, Israel, ISI, CSIS, Russia, China etc..

We have a long standing history of screwing with other nations, via groups we promtoe and place there.

This event smells of that.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ollncasino

 

What it comes down to, is do you believe that one Jordian's experience is indicative of the entire country?

There are plenty of guys I see whom I think are undercover cops or CSIS. Doesn't mean they are because I'm a bit paranoid.

Now are they openly recruiting in the streets? Probably. It would make sense, considering these groups are largely funded by the puppet governments put in place by nations/organizations like the US and EU.

I have a lot of friends who come from Middle Eastern nations, many of whom still live there and they for the most part, claim that most proxy groups in those nations who commit acts of 'terror' are funded by outside backers who have big ties in the intelligence community.

Be it US, Israel, ISI, CSIS, Russia, China etc..

We have a long standing history of screwing with other nations, via groups we promtoe and place there.

This event smells of that.

~Tenth

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I certainly agree Tenth.... As we would say at Camp Lejune, "no scream'in eagle $hit"

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
What it comes down to, is do you believe that one Jordian's experience is indicative of the entire country?

One example can disprove a conviction, no matter how strongly held.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I have a lot of friends who come from Middle Eastern nations, many of whom still live there and they for the most part, claim that most proxy groups in those nations who commit acts of 'terror' are funded by outside backers who have big ties in the intelligence community.

Be it US, Israel, ISI, CSIS, Russia, China etc..

You have previously implied that the Jordanian I spoke of knows not the true nature of groups claiming (falsely according to you) to be Al-Qaeda.

Yet lots of your Middle Eastern friends appear to have a much deep knowledge of the internal funding of groups carrying out terrorist activities (be it from the US, Israel, ISI, CSIS, Russia, China) which originate from the Middle East?

Could it just be that your Middle Eastern friends are either (i) in denial that Middle Eastern people do indeed carry out terrorist attacks or (ii) simply lying to you in the hope that you believe them?

Pictures, I find, bring context. Context is important.

A burnt car is parked at the U.S. consulate, which was attacked and set on fire by gunmen yesterday, in Benghazi September 12, 2012. Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and three embassy staff were killed as they rushed away from the consulate building, stormed by al Qaeda-linked gunmen blaming America for a film that they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad. Stevens was trying to leave the consulate building for a safer location as part of an evacuation when gunmen launched an intense attack, apparently forcing security personnel to withdraw.

An interior view of the damage at the U.S. consulate, which was attacked and set on fire by gunmen yesterday, in Benghazi September 12, 2012. Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and three embassy staff were killed as they rushed away from the consulate building, stormed by al Qaeda-linked gunmen blaming America for a film that they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad. Stevens was trying to leave the consulate building for a safer location as part of an evacuation when gunmen launched an intense attack, apparently forcing security personnel to withdraw.

This HAS to be a joke right!? Right!?

Al-Qaeda?

God they think we are so stupid.

And, apparently, we are. The left/right, Christians/Muslims are all seething and spewing venom at each other.

Divide and conquer...

These ones are GRAPHIC so I will just post a link;

Graphic Images: Muslim Animals Parade Corpse Of U.S. Ambassador Murdered In Libya

And that's not my title. Who knows.... maybe they were rushing him to safety, carrying him like sack of potatoes...

reply to post by ollncasino

One example can disprove a conviction, no matter how strongly held.

I suppose it can ,always consider the source IMO.

Think about this. If I wanted to recruit people to a new thing, it would be much easier if I pretened to be part of some already popular and established group right?

Name dropping is common all over the world.

You have previously implied that the Jordanian I spoke of knows not the true nature of groups claiming (falsely according to you) to be Al-Qaeda.

And I would say the same of anybody who claimed such things who didn't have direct ties to said group.

Yet lots of your Middle Eastern friends appear to have a much deep knowledge of the internal funding of groups carrying out terrorist activities (be it from the US, Israel, ISI, CSIS, Russia, China) which originate from the Middle East?

I've had these friends for decades, and I trust their convictions. I dont' believe that they have any higher knowledge than your average person living in the country as they aren't government officials or anything. They've been saying the same thing for years though. I've found no reason to think they were being dishonest.

Could it just be that your Middle Eastern friends are either (i) in denial that Middle Eastern people do indeed carry out terrorist attacks or (ii) simply lying to you in the hope that you believe them?

They certainly aren't in denial about Middle Eastern folk carrying out terrorist attacks. Do you think I mean that Americans as part of the CIA were the only ones in terrorist organizations? If so, then you misunderstand. I said supported, and propped up, certainly not in most cases operated by in the "in charge" sense.

As for lying to me, I highly doubt that. Again these are friend I've had for decades, professional collegues and close friends.

They are just as convicted in their beliefs as your Jordanian friend is of his.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
As for lying to me, I highly doubt that. Again these are friend I've had for decades, professional collegues and close friends.

They are just as convicted in their beliefs as your Jordanian friend is of his.

Oh he wasn't my friend. Judging by the look in his eyes it would be reasonable to conclude that he supported Al-Qaeda.

Perhaps your friends are correct. Perhaps some or the majority of terrorist activity originating from (or carried out in) the Middle East is non-Arab funded.

On the other hand, such a perspective does tend to have elements of both a Western centric (everything revolves around the West!) and a Marxist (everyone is a victim of the West) underlying analytical perceptive. An analytical paradigm very popular with the Western left.

In contrast my underlying assumptions are that radical Muslims have their own agenda and are not afraid to use violence to achieve it. An analytical paradigm very popular with the Western right.

Nonetheless, your friends could be quite correct.

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Oh he wasn't my friend. Judging by the look in his eyes it would be reasonable to conclude that he supported Al-Qaeda.

Well there you go, that's more credible in my eyes than sombody who would seem to be against them.

Perhaps your friends are correct. Perhaps some or the majority of terrorist activity originating from (or carried out in) the Middle East is non-Arab funded.

On the other hand, such a perspective does tend to have elements of both a Western centric (everything revolves around the West!) and a Marxist (everyone is a victim of the West) underlying analytical perceptive. An analytical paradigm very popular with the Western left.

I 100% agree with that and it is a big problem among people who are critical of Western/European policies in places like the Middle East. As well as within as you stated, the Western Left.

In contrast my underlying assumptions are that radical Muslims have their own agenda and are not afraid to use violence to achieve it. An analytical paradigm very popular with the Western right.

I'm actually more inclined to be on the side of the above believe it or not. I just worry that they've been influenced by these other organizations to those ends, or goated so to speak. But there is evil out there and Radical Islam has PLENTY of it without needing any influence from outside forces.

~Tenth

Not too sure about the source, but;


Lebanese paper report - Murdered U.S. Ambassador to Libya reportedly raped

Darce,
Thats pretty horrific if true..
But there are some questions..

Why do we have an Embassy there in the first place, diplomatic relations are a mute point being we assisted in the bombing and removal of the government. I think this man was more a 'handler' or something of the sort instead of a political delegate.

The sodomy, if true, would be nothing but payback/revenge for Gaddafi.. Maybe these men were Gaddafi sympathizers?

This whole 'movie' nonsense seems a bit far fetched. The Dutch cartoonist and his prophet cartoon didn’t bring as much anger and hostilities, and the US is as much to blame as the UK, yet no one seems to be touching their embassies.

I hope he wasnt raped and sodomized, purely because it wont be very peaceful if this is the lengths they are going to.

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I'm really not too sure what to make of it all just yet myself. Apparently this attack wasn't spontaneous though. These Al-Q folks aren't terribly good at coordination, so it all seems a little bit more complicated than a simple protest over a crappy film if you ask me.

I don't know, the sodomy fits their M.O, but the coordination does not. All I know is that last year I was up in arms over NATO bombing the stink out of their country in order to help these people take over. I knew then that this was going to go badly for us soon enough, so I'm not surprised by the outcome.

Some point their finger as Mossad, riling them up into a frenzy in order to push the US into action in the Med. There are Marines on their way now, so this will most likely escalate. Where is it all mean to go? Your guess is as good as mine.

Not too sure why, but the mods seems to be deleting the threads posted about the ambassador being raped/sodomized before he was killed.

That's why I put it into this thread rather than making a new topic.. Link is still there for those interested.