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Romney White Paper- Plan to take away American's Rights

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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why are all the Romneybots brushing it off like no big deal because Obama/Bush did the same thing?

You know what you call that, normalization and desensitization.

Stop being blind cheerleaders and diss Romney when need be.


^quoted for truth.

The ole 1-2 combo, start it with #1, continue it with #2 and then if there is a #3 you claim "but that's the way it is" and force everyone to accept it. Even get the ole Ministry of Truth to fire out some horse crap supporting that it "always" bee that way.

FWIW, the paper itself is sorta comical in how it is all over the place trying to appease as many of the GOP... some things are 180 degrees of one another.


Derek




posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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This is no surprise at all considering who this man surrounds himself with. Remember this thread?

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Yep. Gonna put it in this thread.

Everyone below was on Romneys OFFICIAL page.

Everyone below is a part of Bushs' creepy neo-con war on terror reign


Michael Chertoff (born November 28, 1953) was the second United States secretary of homeland security under President George W. Bush and co-author of the USA PATRIOT Act.



John F. Lehman, Jr. (born September 14, 1942) is an American investment banker and writer who served as Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration and in 2003–04 was a member of the 9/11 Commission.



Michael Vincent Hayden

He was Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) from 1999 to 2005. During his tenure as director, the longest in the history of the agency, he oversaw the controversial NSA surveillance of technological communications between persons in the United States and alleged foreign terrorist groups, which resulted in the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy.

On May 30, 2006 and again the following day at the CIA lobby with President George W. Bush in attendance, Hayden was sworn in as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.



Cofer Black

From 2005 until 2008, Black was Vice Chairman of Blackwater USA, a US-based private security firm which is the State Department's biggest security contractor. He had a 28-year career in the Directorate of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency



Robert Kagan (born September 26, 1958 in Athens, Greece) is an American historian, author and foreign policy commentator at the Brookings Institution. He is a co-founder of the now-defunct neoconservative political organization Project for the New American Century



Meghan O'Sullivan With Stephen Hadley, she is also credited as being one of the original advocates in the White House of the "surge" strategy of 2007 [4]O'Sullivan was the point person in charge of the Afghan war for the White House.



Pierre-Richard Prosper (born 1963 in Denver, Colorado, USA) is an American lawyer, prosecutor and former government official. He served as the second United States Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues under President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2005



Mitchell Reiss He was also selected to be a White House Fellow and was assigned to the National Security Council, where he worked both for Brent Scowcroft and Colin Powell.



Daniel Samuel Senor, known as Dan Senor (born November 6, 1971), is a Fox News contributor. In the lead-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq and during the fighting, Senor was a Pentagon and White House advisor based in Doha, Qatar at U.S. Central Command Forward;



Jim Talent, In 2001, Talent worked for Washington lobbying firm, Arent Fox,[14] earning $230,000. During this time Talent was not allowed to directly lobby Congress, and he was not licensed to practice law in Washington, leading some Democratic opponents to accuse the lobbying firm of using his appointment as an illegal conduit to donate toward his upcoming Senate race



Vin Weber He is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the PNAC Letter sent to US President Bill Clinton dated January 26, 1998, advocating "the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power" along with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and 29 other notable Republicans.[3]

Currently, Weber is managing partner of the Washington, D.C. branch of lobbying firm Clark & Weinstock. In 2006, Weber's firm received $360,297 from home mortgage giant Freddie Mac to lobby on their behalf.[3]



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Aside from Chertoff and possibly Hayden, what's the beef here? I can understand anger against Chertoff because he's personally made a truckload of cash off the TSA with his naked body scanner lobby group since the Christmas Day 2009 bombing attempt false flag opened the door for the adminsitration to ramrod the scanners through the public. I can also understand, to some degree, the angst over Hayden because of the NSA wiretapping of international calls.

The rest of the guys on this list... meh. Any beef with them would seem to stem more from grousing over the system than anything else. It may be circuitous to say every politician can be connected with a slew of lobbyists and alphabet agency contacts, but it is the reality of the situation.

As far as the PNAC folks go, IMO the downfall of their policies was sustainability. It isn't sustainable to fight endless wars of dominance and then turn around and rebuild the very country you just destroyed. That is a fairly new concept in the annals of history. For thousands of years wars were fought for spoils... it has only been since Korea that this ridiculous concept of war for peace and partnerships has arisen. Warfare should be used for two things: defense and acquisition. THAT'S IT. I'd hope that Romney and all other future US president's abandon the idea of global partnership lead by the US and return to the old days of fighting for something tangible.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why are all the Romneybots brushing it off like no big deal because Obama/Bush did the same thing?

You know what you call that, normalization and desensitization.

Stop being blind cheerleaders and diss Romney when need be.


Is that how you explain Obama supporters?

Because in my case I railed along with many of them during the Bush years (at first I was largely alone
) only to find that once Obama was in office and proved to have the same view, his supporters went all silent again.





posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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clinton was all about having a good time, a good job, a good life, take it on the chin and keep on going.

now everybody's a terror suspect.

you keep electing morons and everybody suffers for it.

but like the average american has a choice in who the presidential candidates are.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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As far as the PNAC folks go, IMO the downfall of their policies was sustainability


Of course it's not sustainable, but the main problem is that they're EVIL. Killing hundreds of thousands of people for money or power (or both) is immoral plain and simple.



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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Actually, Joe Biden claims to have written the original predecessor to the Patriot Act due to the Oklahoma act of terrorism.


Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill," he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as "the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism."


killfile.newsvine.com...



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by SunnyDee
Obama in his complacency to middle east aggression(granted that all could be staged) allows for a more out of control world...

What?
Where did you find this complacency to middle east aggression? Obama is just as aggressive as Reagan or Clinton.
First - The term middle east is so generic it lost all meaning. A usefull tool when lacking substance. (Israel is in this middle east and the most aggressive of these countries, but we both now you don't count Israel, now do you...) So what you're really trying to say is Islamic, isn't it?
Second - Few things have led to a more out of control world than US - "interventions". The very thing you are looking for, right? Can't get enough of blood?

I really hope you end up with Mitt Romney for president.
Then you'll know real pain.
How to squeeze blod out of a rock?
The working class in america are about to find out.
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Guess who's the egg??


So anyone have the numbers of Romney's no tax plan?



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by crawdad1914
This is no surprise at all considering who this man surrounds himself with. Remember this thread?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Never seen that thread before, thanks for linking


I've mentioned it before though, Romney's entire team is a 'whose who' of pro Israel, neo con agenda. Romney will take it all to a new level, because he will not know when to stop- he'll just do everything as he is told by Chertoff, Hayden, Zakheim etc.

It's as scary as it can possibly get.



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Summerian

Originally posted by SunnyDee
Obama in his complacency to middle east aggression(granted that all could be staged) allows for a more out of control world...

What?
Where did you find this complacency to middle east aggression? Obama is just as aggressive as Reagan or Clinton.
First - The term middle east is so generic it lost all meaning. A usefull tool when lacking substance. (Israel is in this middle east and the most aggressive of these countries, but we both now you don't count Israel, now do you...) So what you're really trying to say is Islamic, isn't it?
Second - Few things have led to a more out of control world than US - "interventions". The very thing you are looking for, right? Can't get enough of blood?

I really hope you end up with Mitt Romney for president.
Then you'll know real pain.
How to squeeze blod out of a rock?
The working class in america are about to find out.
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Guess who's the egg??


So anyone have the numbers of Romney's no tax plan?


I can assure you, Sunnydee knew exactly what he/she was talking about with that statement. Sunnydee sees the realty of American politics.

By 'Obama's complaceny', it is within the context of the political charades Israel and America are playing right now to manipulate the public. Israel wants to bomb Iran, the Obama administration is being portrayed as still holding out hope for diplomacy to work (numerous links and media reports show this).

Both sides know exactly where it is heading so the whole thing is just charades. They are waiting for justifcation for a military campaign. Hence Obama's complacency is very possibly being staged for a reason (to make America appear the good guy and 'forced' against it's will to respond to Iran.)

This is something the foregin policy makers behind this white paper have considered very carefully and I've discussed in length how this 'justification' will arise. The white paper itself refers to Iran infiltrating Latin America.

Latin America, weak border protection, Iranian terrorist agents= false flag to start a war and take further steps to advance the surveillance state.



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012


Mitt Romney will make countering this mounting danger a top priority. He will charge our
federal agencies not only with designing better frameworks to share intelligence “horizontally”
among themselves, but also with redoubling their efforts to work with state and local authorities to
share intelligence “vertically.” Our counterterrorism professionals will need to continue to develop
“fusion centers” and other innovative systems to collect and systematically analyze information
about domestic activities. They will need the capacity, consistent with U.S. law, to collect and
unflinchingly analyze communications between terrorist networks abroad and people within our
borders.


'Fusion centres', 'systems to collect and analyse information about domestic activities', this Romney white paper is literally advocating spying on all Americans!

There's not much more to say really, his policy couldn't be any clearer.


Re: Fusion Centers - this is worth watching..


Originally posted by mike dangerously


Here's the lost ep of Conspiracy Theory that so freaked out the government they had trutv pull it off the air.They have put it back on their site just recently.Next season starts Nov 7th.



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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So you have no problem with neocons?

Did you forget history?



posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Didn't say i have no problem with neocons. in fact, I think I have been pretty open on the boards in my belief that they are just marginalized, liberalized Republicans. that said, I have less issues with pseudo-liberal political ideology than I have with true liberal ideology.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Why? The pseudo liberal ideology is fascism.

And this is the same group of people that tried to go to war with Iran but was stopped



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Have you even seen Paul Ryan's voting record on homeland security? Seems Romney & Ryan are two peas in a pod.

$554B for national defense spending instead of $55B cut. (Apr 2012)
Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps. (Feb 2011)
Voted NO on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in US, but not abroad. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on Veto override: Congressional oversight of CIA interrogations. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on restricting no-bid defense contracts. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
Voted YES on continuing military recruitment on college campuses. (Feb 2005)
Voted YES on supporting new position of Director of National Intelligence. (Dec 2004)
Voted YES on adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. (Oct 2004)
Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
Voted YES on permitting commercial airline pilots to carry guns. (Jul 2002)
Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)

Also this from tech voting:
Voted YES on retroactive immunity for telecoms' warrantless surveillance. (Jun 2008)


www.ontheissues.org...
edit on 14-9-2012 by MuonSpin because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
He is certainly a puppet - the next in line after George W. Bush.


Are you kidding me? You're implying that Bush and Romney are puppets, but Obama is not?



If that's what you're saying then you've just lost every last bit of credibility that you had. Obama passed, or tried to pass, as many anti-constitutional laws as Bush, and is therefore either a power-hungry tyrant or a puppet. Take your pick.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Sadly, these plans will continue regardless of who wins the next election. Bad things happen to presidents who stand in the way. That's why they all go so grey so fast. The Kennedy brothers were taken out, Nixon was setup and removed, Carter was lucky they just manipulated events to get him out. The only thing that can take back our country is for our military to stand in the way of the people pulling the strings.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Ugh. I"m so sick of hearing the word "Homeland". I don't know any normal Americans who ever call the US that, do you? When they say National Security they mean security for themselves and the 1% who believe they own the rest of us and can do whatever they please.

Candidates don't even bother with trying to assuage the public anymore. The constant media barrage of propaganda does nothing but promote their interests and never ours. No jobs programs, no relief for people struggling to make mortgage payments or student loans. Their disdain for the public will be their undoing as the masses wake up to see these cretins for power-mad psychopaths they truly are.

I can't believe I'm actually yearning for the days of Clinton when jobs where available and optimism was in the air. The politics of fear are growing ever so old.

Eta - take away what rights? we don't have any left they haven't Patriot Act or Executive Ordered over.
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You yearn for Clinton.

I would even take Nixon right about now. At least back then, the War mongers could not get away with more than one.



posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by crawdad1914
This is no surprise at all considering who this man surrounds himself with. Remember this thread?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Thank you for remember Pat Tillman(Semper Fi!).

I wish more People would remember him. He is the energy, and type, that made this Country Great.

Give up everything for what he believed. Then, he came to find out what he believed was all a lie, and in theater of all places, started speaking out.

Pat, you are a true Man of Honor and Valor, may you rest easy.




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