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Originally posted by AngryAlien
reply to post by marvinthemartian
Yes, but that is still FAR more than any other sporting event in the world! The police may have messed up, some, but the fans should shoulder some of the blame as well! Footballers are generally an unruly bunch and crushes are not uncommon...
uefa-cup-bets.com...
Originally posted by budski
Worse than that, fans who managed to climb the barrier were pushed back in, as were some who managed to get through an open gate.
The police even assaulted fans who were ripping up advertising boards to use as stretchers.
I must stress that this was a minority of officers, because for the most part, junior officers were of as much help as they could be on that horrible day.
Originally posted by AngryAlien
reply to post by marvinthemartian
Yes, but that is still FAR more than any other sporting event in the world! The police may have messed up, some, but the fans should shoulder some of the blame as well! Footballers are generally an unruly bunch and crushes are not uncommon...
uefa-cup-bets.com...
Originally posted by marvinthemartian
Originally posted by AngryAlien
reply to post by marvinthemartian
Yes, but that is still FAR more than any other sporting event in the world! The police may have messed up, some, but the fans should shoulder some of the blame as well! Footballers are generally an unruly bunch and crushes are not uncommon...
uefa-cup-bets.com...
Did you read the link?
The top 2 causes of death were stadium collapse and heart attack!
How is this relevant ?
Originally posted by Freeborn
With all due respect, it is blatantly obvious that you have no understanding of UK football and the culture and processes surrounding it etc.
Originally posted by jeantherapy
Originally posted by marvinthemartian
Originally posted by AngryAlien
reply to post by marvinthemartian
Yes, but that is still FAR more than any other sporting event in the world! The police may have messed up, some, but the fans should shoulder some of the blame as well! Footballers are generally an unruly bunch and crushes are not uncommon...
uefa-cup-bets.com...
Did you read the link?
The top 2 causes of death were stadium collapse and heart attack!
How is this relevant ?
Their supporting video evidence on that link was a video of riots, not collapses or coronary events.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by jeantherapy
If they had made the same criminally negligent decision that led to the crush then they would have been held accountable in a court of law.
Again, if a civilian had been responsible for such poor decision making they would have been held legally responsible.
Yet again, if civilian managers etc had been responsible for deliberately misleading, lying and falsifying evidence then they would have been charged appropriately.
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by budski
Worse than that, fans who managed to climb the barrier were pushed back in, as were some who managed to get through an open gate.
The police even assaulted fans who were ripping up advertising boards to use as stretchers.
I must stress that this was a minority of officers, because for the most part, junior officers were of as much help as they could be on that horrible day.
Yes, but that was their job that day. To keep people off the pitch and to prevent them from destroying the stadium.
Originally posted by budski
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by budski
Worse than that, fans who managed to climb the barrier were pushed back in, as were some who managed to get through an open gate.
The police even assaulted fans who were ripping up advertising boards to use as stretchers.
I must stress that this was a minority of officers, because for the most part, junior officers were of as much help as they could be on that horrible day.
Yes, but that was their job that day. To keep people off the pitch and to prevent them from destroying the stadium.
Completely, totally and utterly wrong.
Their job was, and is, to ensure public safety at large events.
Consider the fact that people were literally dying in front of their eyes, that there were very few police radios linked to the control room (1 section had only 1 radio, held by the section sergeant) and more importantly, anyone with a pair of eyes could see that this was no riot.
"I vas just obeying orders"
Seems I've heard that one before.
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by budski
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by budski
Worse than that, fans who managed to climb the barrier were pushed back in, as were some who managed to get through an open gate.
The police even assaulted fans who were ripping up advertising boards to use as stretchers.
I must stress that this was a minority of officers, because for the most part, junior officers were of as much help as they could be on that horrible day.
Yes, but that was their job that day. To keep people off the pitch and to prevent them from destroying the stadium.
Completely, totally and utterly wrong.
Their job was, and is, to ensure public safety at large events.
Consider the fact that people were literally dying in front of their eyes, that there were very few police radios linked to the control room (1 section had only 1 radio, held by the section sergeant) and more importantly, anyone with a pair of eyes could see that this was no riot.
"I vas just obeying orders"
Seems I've heard that one before.
Like I said, you can't have it both ways. You either want them to protect the fans on the other side of the stadium from harm, or you don't. Their job that day was to keep people off the pitch and away from the other fans and players. It was not their job to assess whether this was a riot, fight, or crush. You're putting them in an unwinnable situation, that doesn't make sense. Cops are assigned specific roles at these events, and generally stick to those roles...
Originally posted by budski
Their job, was to ensure public safety, because they have a duty of care which they failed to fulfill
And yes, it was their job to assess the situation, that is part of a police officers training.
In fact, why do you think that 164 statements taken from Police officers that day were highly critical of leadership, before they were ordered to be re-written?
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Originally posted by budski
Their job, was to ensure public safety, because they have a duty of care which they failed to fulfill
And yes, it was their job to assess the situation, that is part of a police officers training.
In fact, why do you think that 164 statements taken from Police officers that day were highly critical of leadership, before they were ordered to be re-written?
I actually edited my above while you were replying.
Originally posted by Extralien
reply to post by jeantherapy
Please review your ideas about private security doing any better..
for example;
G4S failed to understand size of Olympic security job
The largst private security firm in the world made a major mess of a major event..
Yet they still want full payment...
Security firm G4S expects full Olympic Games payment
Do we really have to go down that route?
I do not think so..
I dread to imagine ...
It was not their job to assess whether this was a riot, fight, or crush. It WAS the leaderships decision, but the average officer had little they could do in the absence of orders.
Originally posted by AngryAlien
Yes, but that was their job that day. To keep people off the pitch and to prevent them from destroying the stadium.