reply to post by NewAgeMan
Why be judged by the standard of perfection, when he knew from the start that we would never be 'perfect'?
We all have been told that "God" is five things: omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, loving, and merciful. The average Christian would tell us that
these are the commonly accepted characteristics. So for the points I'm about to make, we are operating under the assumption that these traits hold
true in the being called "God".
When "God" made hell, as he crafted each seat, he knew who would sit there and why. Yet he made no move to change that course. Not only does he know
what we can do, but what we WILL do. That's the meaning of omniscience. So if he refuses to alter the future in any way, that means everyone who will
ever go to hell or heaven is going there because he WANTS them to. When you are omniscient AND omnipotent, doing nothing is the same as saying, "I
approve of this. Carry on." In other words, the moment omniscience and omnipotence are involved with the same being, all free will is lost. When you
have the power to know everything and do anything, inaction is synonymous with responsibility.
Additionally, he creates us then holds us responsible for the flaws he gave us. Why blame us for something he did? If he was that interested in having
a flawless line of servants, he could easily wind back the clock and start all over again. When you exist outside of time, that's the work of a couple
seconds. Yet he chose not to. Again, he is saying "I want all of you to go through hell. I want you to demonstrate what terrors you are capable of."
Either that, or he just doesn't care. Either way, that's another contradiction of "God"s supposed nature.
Similarly, when he created "Satan", that's a sign that he is capable of evil. Would an entity who is supposedly love incarnate be able to create
something so foul, disgusting, and abominable? Is that logically possible? All evil and all sin came from "God". This means that either "God" is
capable of evil...or he didn't create sin. After all, if he's going to introduce the two qualities that negate free will, he might as well do it so
that we won't be punished for disobeying, yes? And if all he wants is to be worshipped, why even bother with free will? Otherwise, he'll only be
forced to destroy his creations. He could avoid the whole ordeal by recreating his servants and doing it right this time...but no. He won't. And that
means he WANTS it this way.
One more thing. In order to think, your emotions and mind must undergo change. That's what thought is, right? Mental change, mental adjustment.
Eternal means unchanging. Look it up. Google the definition. Something that is eternal cannot change, and so thought is impossible for that entity.
Adding onto that, "God" is shown to have changed his mind multiple times. Something that is eternal will not do that. In fact, that throws even more
doubt on the omniscience claim, because someone who is omniscient would have seen that coming immediately, and therefore would never have had to
change his mind.
That's 1 through 4 of my list of logical fallacies regarding the nature of "God". There wil undoubtedly be arguments, but I;m fairly certain that for
the most part, I've made some very valid points. In the end, not a single one of us understands "God" as much as we pretend to, and very few
understand him as much as they'd like to.
So when it is said that "God" is immoral, that's a severe understatement. "God" isn't just immoral, he is a quandary. A quandary invented by desperate
men. See, whenever we fear something, we create an opposite and strive toward it, because we want meaning in life. We're afraid of our dark side, and
we're afraid of what comes after death, and we're afraid of the chaos in life. So we come up with "God", who promises to save us from ourselves,
promises eternal happiness in the afterlife, and promises to keep us safe from the terrors of the world as long as we believe in him.
Pure psychology and reasonable analysis tell us that despite all the positive effects Christianity or Catholicism or Baptism or Mormonism or any other
Judaic/Abrahamic religion may have on our lives, it's still stolen and warped beyond recognition. But in a world where we fight to take the easy road,
we'll be damned before we have to take the hard, honest road.
Long story short: either he's a flawed deity, or you guys need to come up with a better story. The way you've written it, your
"God" has a laundry list of character defects, and more plot holes than an empty grave yard. Some serious editing is needed if you expect to gather
more followers...ones who don't go "baa-aaaaa-aaaa", that is.
edit on 12-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)