Karl Marx's poems to Satan

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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Marx's path to Communism

Everything at the link is cited so this is not a fabrication or fraud. None of this is a lie. All of the information in the link has been substantiated with citations. Karl Marx, the founder of Marxism and by extension Communism and Socialism, emphatically wrote poetic works to Satan and other poems with themes that are eerily reminiscent of Biblical descriptions of Satan's view of God and existence. It does not surprise me in the least that Marx would joyously dedicated works to Satan but it does surprise me that this information became public.


Thus in his poem "Feelings," dedicated to his childhood sweetheart and later wife Jenny von Westphalen, Marx expressed both his megalomania and his enormous thirst for destruction:

Heaven I would comprehend
I would draw the world to me;
Living, hating, I intend
That my star shine brilliantly ...

and

... Worlds I would destroy forever,
Since I can create no world;
Since my call they notice never ...

Here is a classical expression of Satan's supposed reason for hating, and rebelling against, God.

In another poem, Marx writes of his triumph after he shall have destroyed God's created world:

Then I will be able to walk triumphantly,
Like a god, through the ruins of their kingdom.
Every word of mine is fire and action.
My breast is equal to that of the Creator.

And in his poem "Invocation of One in Despair" Marx writes,

I shall build my throne high overhead
Cold, tremendous shall its summit be.
For its bulwark – superstitious dread
For its marshal – blackest agony.[2]

The Satan theme is most explicitly set forth in Marx's "The Fiddler," dedicated to his father:

See this sword?
the prince of darkness
Sold it to me.

And

With Satan I have struck my deal,
He chalks the signs, beats time for me
I play the death march fast and free.

Particularly instructive is Marx's lengthy, unfinished poetic drama of this youthful period, Oulanem, A Tragedy. In the course of this drama his hero, Oulanem, delivers a remarkable soliloquy, pouring out sustained invective, a hatred of the world and of mankind, a hatred of creation and a threat and vision of total world destruction.

Thus Oulanem pours out his vials of wrath:

... I shall howl gigantic curses on mankind:
Ha! Eternity! She is an eternal grief ...
Ourselves being clockwork, blindly mechanical,
Made to be the foul-calendars of Time and Space,
Having no purpose save to happen, to be ruined,
So that there shall be something to ruin ...
If there is a something which devours,
I'll leap within it, though I bring the world to ruins-
The world which bulks between me and the Abyss
I will smash to pieces with my enduring curses.
I'll throw my arms around its harsh reality:
Embracing me, the world will dumbly pass away,
And then sink down to utter nothingness,
Perished, with no existence – that would be really living!

And

... the leaden world holds us fast,
And we are chained, shattered, empty, frightened,
Eternally chained to this marble block of Being ...
and we –
We are the apes of a cold God.




posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 

so, communism is evil ?



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by Misoir
 

so, communism is evil ?



No. Evil men do evil things



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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reply to post by HamrHeed
 

what about evil women ?



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
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what about evil women ?



humanity- men, women

both are totally capable of deceit



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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do you believe, spiritual beings exist ?



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
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do you believe, spiritual beings exist ?

No, I do not hate the sinner.
I believe that you either have discipline or you don't. Everyone sins but it's about what you do with that experience to make your life longer, and by extension, fulfill your full potential as intended
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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:29 AM
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Marx was not the founder of communism/socialism. In fact Marx didn't even write the majority of the Communist Manifesto, Engels did. Marx just updated Engels original rough drought from the input of many other people.

Marxism is just one way to implement communism/socialism, it is not communism/socialism itself. Marx never wrote anything about a future communist system. There are/were many other people who had different ideas of how to replace capitalism with communism/socialism.

Socialism came before Marx. Utopian socialism of Robert Owen was one of the first major socialist movements, he is also know as the father of the cooperative movement.

Not all communist/socialists are supporters of Marx, in fact that is why the term Anarchism was used, socialists/communists who were apposed to Marx. Read about Marx and Bakunin in the International Working Men’s Association...


THE TEMPESTUOUS relation between Marx and Bakunin is a well known legacy of the history of western socialism. As co-members of the International Working Men’s Association, they seem to have devoted as much energy battling one another as their common enemy, the capitalist system, culminating in Marx’s successful campaign to expel Bakunin from the organization. While at times engaging in cordial relations, they nevertheless harbored uncomplimentary mutual assessments. According to Marx, Bakunin was “a man devoid of all theoretical knowledge” and was “in his element as an intriguer”,1 while Bakunin believed that “... the instinct of liberty is lacking in him [Marx]; he remains from head to foot, an authoritarian”.2


The Philosophical Roots of the Marx-Bakunin Conflict

So, discrediting Marx does not discredit communism/socialism, nice try though.

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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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I believe that you either have discipline or you don't.

starting from birth or is it a developement ?



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by icepack
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I believe that you either have discipline or you don't.

starting from birth or is it a developement ?



Good question. I believe it's learned but also, the newborn have no idea of the complications they face in their future.. Good teachers have a huge impact, parents and community members etc



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Sounds like a pretty cold world he made for himself. Those are some pretty dark passages.

Most people go through those kinds of thoughts, but they typically come and go. They're a phase. With that guy though, they stuck around and he made a political movement based on it all.

I don't see much logic in any of it. Just a lot of personal feelings.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by DeepImpactX
With that guy though, they stuck around and he made a political movement based on it all.


Marx did not create the system of communism. Marx simply, along with Engels, offered their proposal for a plan to implement communism and the Communist League, at the protest of Bakunin and other 'anarchist socialists', agreed to support their plan. The CommieFesto was that plan, it was not a description of communism.

The Communist League

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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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It really does not matter if Karl Marx was the founder of Communism/Socialism or not. What does matter is that people think he is. I know Socialism reaches further back than Engels and Marx and does not have any exact point of beginning but was rather a politico-philosophical development stemming from a reaction against free-market liberalism's problems in urban centers. That is still not relevant though - people read Das Kapital and associate it with Karl Marx, with only lesser contribution from Engeles. It is not so much whether something is factual that counts but rather its perception over time. Therefore it is important for criticizing Communism/Socialism to spread this information about Marx and his satanic poems.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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The conflict is very ancient. The aim of one side is the pyramid, the aim of the other side is to reverse the pyramid. One side sees society as hierarchical, with God as the capstone and then various levels of society based on origin, merit and caste. The other, rebellious (satanic) side, seeks to reverse the pyramid, to make the "commoner", which makes up the majority of people, the top and subdue those at the top, or kill them, as was the case in the dozens of socialist regimes of the 20th century. Thats the basic game on earth. These forces have been at it since a very, very long time. Quite possibly a merging of the pyramid and reverse-pyramid (symbolized as the star of David), will bring planetary enlightenment, a new golden age of peace and prosperity.
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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir

It really does not matter if Karl Marx was the founder of Communism/Socialism or not. What does matter is that people think he is. I know Socialism reaches further back than Engels and Marx and does not have any exact point of beginning but was rather a politico-philosophical development stemming from a reaction against free-market liberalism's problems in urban centers. That is still not relevant though - people read Das Kapital and associate it with Karl Marx, with only lesser contribution from Engeles. It is not so much whether something is factual that counts but rather its perception over time. Therefore it is important for criticizing Communism/Socialism to spread this information about Marx and his satanic poems.



So basically what you're saying is deceiving people and playing on religious fears to spread negative propaganda about an economic system is perfectly fine.


Good luck with that.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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It really does not matter if Karl Marx was the founder of Communism/Socialism or not. What does matter is that people think he is. I know Socialism reaches further back than Engels and Marx and does not have any exact point of beginning but was rather a politico-philosophical development stemming from a reaction against free-market liberalism's problems in urban centers. That is still not relevant though - people read Das Kapital and associate it with Karl Marx, with only lesser contribution from Engeles. It is not so much whether something is factual that counts but rather its perception over time. Therefore it is important for criticizing Communism/Socialism to spread this information about Marx and his satanic poems.


Das Kapital was a critique of capitalism, a book that also does not describe communism/socialism. Engels had nothing to do with Da Kapital BTW, just the CommieFesto. How many of you armchair critiques have actually read either book?

Again Socialism exists outside of Marxism. Marxism is not the be-all and end-all of socialism. Many socialists do not support Marxism, all Marxists are socialists but not all socialists are Marxists. So once again discrediting Marx does not discredit communism/socialism.

I don't think socialists really give a damn what you say about Marx, socialists are not 'fans' of Marx, they are socialists because they support worker ownership. 'Marxism' is just the name now given to supporters of a political path to socialism, as apposed to a direct action path of the Anarchists. It doesn't mean Marxists support everything Marx did. So what if he wrote poems to the devil? It could have just as easily have been called Engleism, why don't you dig up some dirt on him? He did write the original drought of the Manifesto.

Why don't you dig up some dirt about capitalists? Remember capitalists in the time of Marx were forcing workers to work long hours, with little pay, and nasty dangerous dirty working conditions. Capitalists created the laws that allowed them to take advantage, and exploit, the workers as they still do today. But no that's all OK, it's just this system of Marxism that has never been put into practice, that is lied about and propagandized, is used by governments to fool the population, that is the real evil...


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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
The other, rebellious (satanic) side, seeks to reverse the pyramid, to make the "commoner", which makes up the majority of people, the top and subdue those at the top, or kill them, as was the case in the dozens of socialist regimes of the 20th century. Thats the basic game on earth. These forces have been at it since a very, very long time. Quite possibly a merging of the pyramid and reverse-pyramid (symbolized as the star of David), will bring planetary enlightenment, a new golden age of peace and prosperity.


That is not exactly true. It is not turning the pyramid upside down, it is getting rid of it entirely.

Socialism is not a top down system. The reason capitalism creates the pyramid hierarchy is simply because the means to produce are owned by a small minority class of people, the capitalist or ruling class. That creates the class society.

It all really started in the mid 1700's when the laws concerning land use was changed. The 'commoners' were allowed to appropriate unused land for their own use. The law changed allowing land owners to sell off parcels of land, which also allowed the new owner to deny it's used to the commoners. This forced the commoners into towns looking for 'jobs'. Land owners took advantage of this which lead to the industrial revolution, the forming of class divisions, wage slavery, and workers organizing to better themselves. Out of this came socialism, a workers movement for change from private ownership, capitalism, to the workers common ownership of the means of production, communism/socialism.

If the means of production were owned by the workers there would be no one at the top simply due to their wealth. It's that disparity of wealth that allows capitalists to control society.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 06:57 AM
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This topic came up on another thread so I'm re-reading this old thread. I am bumping it because I thought the new folks here would be interested as well.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Misoir

THANKS for an important thread.

Many folks have never learned such facts about Marx et al.

It's not that surprising if folks think about it . . . the hostilities of Marx and all the Marxist governments to Christianity--particularly Christianity that believes God still performs miracles for believers in this day and age--the hostility of all Marxist governments to such Christianity has typically been the fiercest of such governments.

Arrogance, rebellion, pride, ruthlessness, lying, manipulation, !!!CONTROL!!! freakism, tyranny, murder, viciousness, hatred. . . etc. etc. etc. are all hallmarks of the dark lord as well as hallmarks of Marxism and Marxist governments.

It will get worse as the globalist satanic government becomes more and more overtly active on the world stage . . . coming soon to neighborhoods far and wide.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: DeepImpactX

he lived in a pretty bleak time





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