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s that your best counter-argument? No wonder your "God" resorts to killing anyone who witnesses his flaws, rather than winding the clock back and having another go at Creation.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ
The message you get from whatever version of whatever authority you read, is YOUR message. That doesn't guarantee it's the exact right message. That doesn't guarantee it's the ONLY right message. That means that you have garnered positive effect from how YOU look at it.
Because your message seems to vary greatly from other messages I have heard taken from similar sources. So why would you assume that your message is automatically perfect for everyone else, when it isn't even absolute? Your flavor, your preference, your window to see the world through, is your own. It works for you, but maybe it ONLY works for you.
Originally posted by Miri08
As they say, there are two sides to every coin and I'm interested in all points of view on this, I found your links helpful for another perspective and I'm going to watch the video in the first link shortly.
Thank you for replying
Edit: I just watched the video and he makes valid points as far as the killings attributed to religion and how what's true for religion is also true for atheism. The wording in my original post was horrendous and I was really thinking more about what I perceived (but am starting to learn more about thanks to some of the replies) as god directly killing as it relates to the bible, still though if we are talking about the killings in god's name, this man makes very good points and seems quite balanced in what he's saying. Very good video, thank you again.
Originally posted by Miri08
Why isn't proper credit given to god on the pulpit?
The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom. Various means have been used, but Opus Dei has played a major role in this.
Virtually 100% of the world's seminaries are in the pocket of the Roman Whore in that they use her Bible via the Alexandrian Gnostic Greek texts.
OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism
Originally posted by MamaJ
I can tell you right now I've read the Bible NUMEROUS times!
I can tell you have not read it ONCE.
Don't tell me what is what until you your SELF have studied it at length as I have.
Don't for a second think I could not school you on this subject!!!
You tell me what it is I've said that's NOT FOUND in the Bible and I will show you where it IS FOUND.
Start NOW!
Originally posted by Miri08
reply to post by MamaJ
I've downloaded the PDF and will start reading it later tonight along with some other links I have received. You've been very understanding and I really do appreciate you taking the time to help me
SO much information to process, it's going to take me some time but I think it will be worth it!
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by adjensen
I'll have you know that I am for more analytical than most people my age. What you're implying is similar to saying that there will come a day when all the old people will hard of hearing, unable to use technology, and so reliant upon the younger generation that grandchildren will be paid wages to take care of the elders in their family.
Originally posted by Drala
If you find truth and god in your heart, it doesn't matter what anyone or any religion tells you...it's a test...can you feel your way through the illusion? I heard a good analogy about a homing pigeon...it fly back home on invisible magnetic fields...if it goes off course it feels anxiety and ALWAYS finds its way home like this...
The poor thing would be better off blind as often it has to fly over war to find its way back...unfortunately like the poor dove..we have to witness this on our way back to the garden...edit on 9/11/2012 by Drala because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by Miri08
that God is ultimately righteous and just, so when we come upon an issue such as this, which we perceive to be an immoral act, such as the "Midianite massacre", the conflict must be resolved by stating that it was a moral act on the part of God, and we just don't understand it.
My ATS signature reflects this -- "In the end faith isn't about God meeting your expectations but you meeting his.", which means that God judges us, we don't judge him, because he understands us, we don't (necessarily) understand him.
In other words, it doesn't matter if you personally think that to be an immoral act, God cannot be immoral, so if that's what he did, it was moral, and the deficiency is your understanding, not anything God did.