posted on Sep, 15 2012 @ 12:47 AM
I believe you do not understand me, otherwise you would not continue to tell me that what is seen in SP is not real.
Ofcourse it is real, how can it not be?
It is not something I conjured up out of thin air, these things are actually seen and experienced during SP episodes. They came from an involuntary
response, regardless whether anyone thinks they are from an outside source or a product of our own brain.
They were not voluntarily brought into an interaction with SP sufferers. The only way they would not be real, in this context is if the story about
their existence in SP were a total work of fiction, used to tell an uncommon stary or fair-tale.
Because these sights and emotion are experienced by the SP sufferer, then they are undenialy real.
It does not take a 3rd party perspective, agreeing the visions are real/fake to establish them as a truth for the experiencer. The only perspective
that matters is the 1st person perpective.
If it happened to them and they can recall it with great detail, then it is real - even though it does not exist in the physical reality you and I
share... To claim that these things are not real, in the context I suggest, would be to call everyone a liar who has ever seen them.
The creatures realy exist within the SP realm, therefor they are indeed real, just not the tangible, material real that many people believe to be the
only place where things exist...
The experiences within SP and OBE happen within the mind itself - do you know what else happens within the mind itself?... Everything.
The stars you see at night exist inside your mind... for that matter every single thing you will ever be aware of - and even many things you are
unaware of - all happen within the mind.
The emotions and visions of SP are as real as anything else in waking reality - except you can't be injured from any contact or other physical
ailment while in SP or OBE.
Given that everything takes place within the mind, from material reality, to dreamland and what many call 'Astral Plane', we could go as far to say
we have super powers in those states of consciousness...
We are unable to be physically harmed, we can manipulate seemingly real material objects in the dream state, we can conjure anything we please into
existence, we can fly, read minds, etc... and it ALL takes place where everything else goes on - our minds.
Having all these super powers would be a wish for many people, but when they are presented in this fashion they are not good enough. They need those
abilities in waking reality... but maybe waking reality would become just a fleeting as dreamland, OBE, Astral etc, if we had those abilities here and
Just some fun speculation on my part. I do understand where you are coming from when you claim these things are not real, but I repectfully disagree,
these things are as real as anything else that takes place within our minds, with the benefit of not getting injured, super powers, etc.... wouldn't
it be great if, when we die it would be like in dream state, we just wake up into an even more grounded reality with different laws of physics?
ok, I've rambled on way too long now... hope you don't feel I am being confrontational, I don't mean to be. I am just tired and wanted to try and
explain my position a bit better.