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Originally posted by choos
reply to post by PhoenixOD
your theory just doesnt fit together though.. when he reached the US he was persuing a martial arts career and not a movie career. he had one or two schools opened already by the time he took the role as kato.
he also lasted, at the most, 20-25 mins, one on one against wong jack man. this just doesnt show what you are saying that he had very little skill.
But Bruce was already an actor before he got to the US. He did a lot more acting in non fighting roles (combined stage and screen) than he did fighting roles. When he got to the US he was just looking for ways to make money.
Its really hard to know for sure what went on with the wong jack man fight as there are so many conflicting stories.
Originally posted by choos
reply to post by PhoenixOD
But Bruce was already an actor before he got to the US. He did a lot more acting in non fighting roles (combined stage and screen) than he did fighting roles. When he got to the US he was just looking for ways to make money.
yes acting in a different country.. he was unknown when he got to the US. where did he get his respect from? why was he offered a demo role at the karate championships where he was first spotted for his movie roles in the US?
Its really hard to know for sure what went on with the wong jack man fight as there are so many conflicting stories.
and thats why im not taking into account of Lee's side of the story and only what wong jack man claims..20-25 mins is a long time.. so at the very least he was on par with him.. and this does not show that bruce lee had very little skill.
In March 1961, Lee enrolled at the University of Washington, majoring in drama according to the university's alumni association information,not in philosophy as claimed by Lee himself and many others. Lee also studied philosophy, psychology, and various other subjects
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
Man interesting thread. Let me give my humble opinions.
The one inch punch. It's not a parlor trick or stunt only to be used in movies. It works just fine in a fight. The one inch punch is not delivered like when its shown for demonstration. The one inch punch is shown to demonstrate how a major branch of southern Kung fu develops what's known as short or shock power . It's critical for their method of infighting. The parent system chu gar broke up into several branches that still rely on this theory of striking power generation. Wing chun, li gar, mok gar, long ying, bak Mei, beggars fist and chunks of white crane will all be able to demonstrate its realistic combat applications. If you think yip man was theboss check out bakmei's Chung lai chuan.
As for dimmak. Doubt dim Mak got Bruce. Real dim Mak takes some degree of force to transfer the power that will event silly disrupt the organs it's more closely related to reverse CPR than kill bill. Want to hear about a guy who could and did aply dim Mak in bouts then research a guy bagua players refers to as 9 day ma. They called him that because he used a technique that would destroy certain organs from the hydrostatic shock and the victim would usually fiefdom organ failure 9 days later.
I thought the lawsuit between jkd and jeet kuen do was steepen the china town jkd and the rest of the guys teaching jkd. Chinatown jkd guys learned the method first from Bruce but it was closer to Bruce's jun fan chuan fa and not what eventually turned into modern jkd. Bruce would have been happy with Danny's inclusion of Arnis, panutukan, Kali and Silat. Bruce was adding western boxing angles and footwork, shoot wrestling that he learned from gene labelle after gene quickly humbled Bruce in a friendly sparring match. Why do you think Bruce added that scene in the beginning of enter the dragon. To demonstrate what he was learning about martial arts and to reflect important developments in his jkd.
As for Bruce being able to fight. Sure he was alright. Not the best but not bad either. Part of the reason he started to learn wing chun was because some wing chun players were making a name for themselves in hong kong. At the time Bruce was getting his ass kickedby choi li fut fighters. So he went to learn wing chun to try and get an edge. Good thing he never messed with the hung gar fighters they would have eaten him for breakfast.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Jay-morris
None of your opinions or excuses change any of the facts i have presented. Its obvious you really really like the guy and are blinded by the spin. In fact the way you use names like JKD instead of jeet kune do (the two are not the same , JKD was made up by one of his ex-students after he died and after a court battle to stop him using the name Jeet Kune Do) do clearly shows you don't actually know what you are talking about.
Thanks for your opinions though these are all the types of profit driven spin i was talking about. In fact a lot of what you have said confirms what i was saying.
Bruce didnt have to get any belts he was just great and above that..
Bruce didnt have to prove he was a great fighter by competing he was amazing and above that...
etc , etc
Bruce never said he was one of the greatest martial artist but lots of people who were after money did when he died...and then came up with a reason why Bruce never claimed this.
With replies by you like , your talking BS , ideas are rubbish, lies , stupid etc there's really no point in continuing an adult like discussion with you. So good luck with what you want to believe i hope it makes you happy in life.
edit on 21-9-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
As for Bruce. He was a human. Flaws and all. A womanizer a narcissist and a little it insecure hence the bravado. I say that his greatest accomplishment was philosophical in the relm of martial arts.
He wasn't a bad guy. Most of his friends say that he ment well. But they also that he had a very short temper and could lose control and respond violently. Not very Kung fu like to me. Respect the man for what he did but don't build a shrine for him.