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Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
God and money have so much in common it seems only right it should be on our money, and it's motto is really "on the money" - In God We Trust.
Both have a great number of people who base their life around attainment of these two commodities and wish to have both in great abundance and working for them. Both have great worth to a great many people but both are constantly being re-manufactured. And if you go all the way back to their source it would be difficult to demonstrate either have any actual value and that both were not just manufactured out of thin air. In God We Trust, indeed. Likewise our money.
I say let it stay. It seems to belong there.
edit on 10-9-2012 by Erongaricuaro because: (no reason given)
And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to trap him in his talk. And they came and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone’s opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?” But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, “Why put me to the test? Bring me a denariusd and let me look at it.” And they brought one. And he said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to him, “Caesar’s.” Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.
reply to post by MeesterB
That could easily be flipped around as an argument for God being on the money. If he is on the money then we should do like Jesus said and give it to him...
The United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, now states: "'In God we trust' is the national motto."
The phrase appears to have originated in the Star-Spangled Banner, written during the War of 1812. The fourth stanza includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'"
M. R. Watkinson, as part of a campaign initiated by eleven northern Protestant Christian denominations in a letter dated November 13, 1861, petitioned the Treasury Department to add a statement recognising "Almighty God in some form in our coins." At least part of the motivation was to declare that God was on the Union side of the Civil War.
(But Congress itself had to back this up) -> Such legislation was introduced and passed on April 22, 1864, allowing the Secretary of the Treasury to authorize the inclusion of the phrase on one-cent and two-cent coins.
In 1873, Congress passed the Coinage Act, granting that the Secretary of the Treasury "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins
The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908. Since 1938, all US coins have borne the motto.
( That was for coins, now we look how the phrase came to be on paper money)
In 1956, the nation was going through the height of the Cold War. As a result, the 84th Congress passed a joint resolution to replace the existing motto with "In God we trust". The change was partly motivated by a desire to differentiate between communism, which promotes atheism, and Western capitalistic democracies, which were at least nominally Christian. The law was signed by President Eisenhower on July 30, 1956, and the motto was progressively added to paper money over a period from 1957 to 1966. (Public Law 84-851) The United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, now states: "'In God we trust' is the national motto."
In 2006, on the 50th anniversary of its adoption, the Senate reaffirmed "In God we trust" as the official national motto of the United States of America. In 2011 the House of Representatives passed an additional resolution reaffirming "In God we trust" as the official motto of the United States, in a 396-9 vote. According to a 2003 joint poll by USA Today, CNN, and Gallup, 90% of Americans support the inscription "In God We Trust" on U.S. coins.
(Even the Muslim and Hindu religions subscribe to this phrase)
Feisal Abdul Rauf, a Muslim imam writes that the phrase “In God we trust” resonates with Islamic teaching, offering two verses from the Qur’an: "Our Lord, we have indeed heard a Crier calling to faith, saying 'Trust in your Lord, so we have trusted..." (Quran 3:193) or "[The messenger and the believers] trust in God, in His Angels, His Scriptures, His Books and His Messengers..." (Quran 2:285). Similarly, Melkote Ramaswamy, an Hindu American scholar, writes that the presence of the phrase “In God we trust” on American currency is a reminder that “there is God everywhere, whether we are conscious or not.”
All right, your argument is that it is unconstitutional. That's a perfectly good argument. So good that it went to the 9th Circuit (California) for a three judge hearing in 2010.
For removing it.
Why? Simple. Seperation of Church and State.
3-0 in California? Well, it looks like we'll have to find another argument.
The phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. money do not violate the Constitution's separation of church and state, a federal appeals court panel has ruled in San Francisco.
"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."
The panel ruled 3-0 on the money motto.
Originally posted by charles1952
The motto was placed on our 1 and 2 cent coins in 1864, and more coins were added in as time went on.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
Originally posted by silent thunder
You know, it occurs to me that the money in the US is "Federal Reserve Notes" and the Fed is a private bank.